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Old February 22nd, 2009, 08:58 AM   #1
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Anyone heard of XM-118???

I was at a local show today and a fella had some XM-118 circa 1964-1965 that he claimed was Special Experimental Match for Camp Perry. The box was a White box that said Nation Match Camp Perry XM-118....I think it was Lake City. Anybody know anything about this stuff. What is a far price for unopened box?

Also what is the going rate for M-852??? he had some of that too.

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 09:18 AM   #2
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I came across some white box XM80 ammo last year. After doing some web research, I found that the "X" means that the ammo didn't meet some military specification - for whatever reason. The story I read stated it could be as simple as a nomenclature problem (i.e. the manufacturer printed a red label instead of a black one). So, instead of taking a loss and destroying the ammo, the manufacturer puts an "X" on it and sells it to the public.
Since that time, I've seen a fair amount of Federal "X" 7.62 come up for sale. Haven't heard any horror stories concerning it. JMHO

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 09:26 AM   #3
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XM-118 ammo was first introduced as "experimental" ammo, hence the "X" designation. The Army puts an "X" in front of anything experimental in the nomenclature. If I recall, XM-118 is a hollow point ammo, made by Lake City for match shooting at Perry. By "law", hollow point ammo is forbidden on the battlefield. Also, I'm thinking that XM-118 bullets were "cemented" if you will to the brass casing by using some sort of a tar type "glue". If I have my facts wrong here, I'm sure someone can help to set us straight.

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 10:17 AM   #4
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Thanks Dave... This was the stuff i PM'd you about. It was first year issued for Camp Perry National Matches when the M14 was used along side the M1 Garand. I think the box said 1964 or 1965.

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 03:19 PM   #5
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...the ammo didn't meet some military specification - for whatever reason.
Yep. However, this doesn't mean that it won't shoot well.

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 06:24 PM   #6
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So, instead of taking a loss and destroying the ammo, the manufacturer puts an "X" on it and sells it to the public.
Since that time, I've seen a fair amount of Federal "X" 7.62 come up for sale.
Natchez has some Federal FAXM762 for sale right now. White box, is quoted as "not surplus".

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Natchez has some Federal FAXM762 for sale right now. White box, is quoted as "not surplus".
This is not the same stuff I was looking at. The stuff I saw was "Match" ammo with the 173gr bullet. "Not for Combat Use" right on the box. It was not 150 gr Ball / Plinking Ammo.

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Yep. However, this doesn't mean that it won't shoot well.

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I don't think we will ever know the actual meaning behind "XM"... look at this..http://www.ammoman.com/images/223%20XM193A1.jpg ....and I just saw (although I can't seem to find it ) a data sheet on M118 match ammo and is components...one of the loads was listed as XM118 loaded with wc846 powder...from the '60s !

Always wondered if it meant something more like "eXperimental Munitions"....


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Here you go...http://www.odcmp.org/303/default.asp?page=Humility.. look at the match boxes, the lower right hand one says "XM118"

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And the current version...http://palmettostatearmory.com/239.php

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Old February 27th, 2009, 02:06 PM   #11
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The following is from thegunzone.com although for some reason the page doesn't load right now. They asked ATK (owner of Federal Cartridge which operates the Lake City plant) what XM means.

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TGZ: Please explain the nomenclature (i.e., the "XM" prefix and the "PD" suffix), and also explain how XM193, XM855-PD, XM118LR-PD and similar Lake City / ATK ammunition differs from milspec (i.e., M193, M855, M118LR) ammunition, so we may present the correct information to our readers.

ATK: We've had several questions regarding the XM designation and following is our official statement regarding what the product is.

XM193 ammunition is 5.56mm contract overrun material. It may not meet all of the mil-spec requirements, however, it does meet all requirements of commercial ammunition for pressure, form, fit and function.

As far as the "PD" suffix, it simply denotes bulk packaging.

TGZ: Why is it that the XM ammo "may not meet all of the mil-spec requirements?" This seems to be the most common question on people's minds.

ATK: I don't know all the ins and outs of the mil-spec requirements, but like any other mass-produced product, there are often imperfections in either appearance or non-functional mechanics. As we all know, the military is very stringent in their requirements and for good reason. This being the case, it doesn't take much to fall outside of those parameters.
As far as open-tip match bullets being legal for combat...I've read that Mk262 (the 5.56 NATO 77gr. Sierra Match King) is allowed because the open tip is ballistic only and doesn't aid expansion. Perhaps this is true for M118 also. This is from an article in Guns and Ammo some years ago:

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Due to the way the 77-grain Sierra MatchKing behaves in soft tissue, this load offers dramatically increased terminal performance compared to the M855--while still being Land Warfare-legal. The downside is that penetration is not as good as the M855 round.

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As far as open-tip match bullets being legal for combat...I've read that Mk262 (the 5.56 NATO 77gr. Sierra Match King) is allowed because the open tip is ballistic only and doesn't aid expansion. Perhaps this is true for M118 also. This is from an article in Guns and Ammo some years ago:
Yep. The hollowpoint on MatchKing bullets is simply the result of the way the bullet is manufactured, and is not designed to expand. Lake City M118LR (current U.S. sniper ammo) is loaded with the 175SMK.

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