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Old March 15th, 2007, 05:42 AM   #1
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Anno (Lake City 175gr.HP XM118LR) question

I posted about this in the steals and deals, but I am curious about this ammo

Came across this add
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=233127
It's Lake City 175gr.HP XM118LR ammo
400 rounds for $375

Has anyone shot this ?
Is this stuff really worth $1 per round ?
Is this something you would want to shoot for long (presumably 500+ meter) range ?

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Old March 15th, 2007, 07:14 AM   #2
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It's good ammunition, it's what you need it for, will tell you if you need it or not. If your just going for a primary paper puncher or plinking, No, but for more competition, maybe yes then.
My NM M1A likes it very much as you can see below.

* M118LR Lake City surplus ammo from 2003 (LC-XM118LR PD). The first string was a 188-9X, 2nd group a 200-13X at 100Yd.

* M118 Lake City surplus ammo from 1985 (LC-85E135-016). The first string was a 194-9X, 2nd group a 199-12X at 100Yd.

* M852 Lake City surplus ammo from 1985 (LC-85B183-008). First string was a 194-9X, 2nd group a 198-13X.

* Radway Green surplus ammo from 1985 (Lot A4/1818 16.9.85). The first string was a 198-8X, 2nd group a 198-9X at 100Yd.

* Santa Barbra surplus ammo from 1980. The first string was a 186-5X, 2nd group at a little better with a 197-14X at 100Yd.

* Greek surplus ammo from 1980 (Lot 21-80). The first string was a 195-8X, 2nd group a 197-6X at 100Yd.

* German DM 41, military surplus ammo from 1960 using (lot MS 134-60). The first string was a 193-5X, 2nd grouping a 197-6X.

* Australian ADI surplus ammo from 1988 (lot AFF 24-8-88), The first string was a 194-5X, 2nd group a 196-8X at 100Yd.

* Portuguese m/963 surplus ammo from 1979 (lot BF 79-70). The first string was a 190-7X, 2nd group a 196-5X at 100Yd.

* Malaysian surplus ammo from 1983 (Lot 10-83) delinked. The first string was a 189-4X, 2nd group a 194-9X at 100Yd.

* Venezuelan surplus ammo from 1989 HS nny (lot PPU 8909 ), The first string was a 192-9X, 2nd group a 194-2X at 100Yd.

* Portuguese m/963 surplus ammo from 1978 (lot FNM78-23). The first string was a 186-4X, 2nd group a 190-4X at 100Yd.

* Hirtenberger surplus ammo from 1978 HS HP. The first string was a 188-5X, 2nd group a 190-3X at 100Yd.

* Belgium surplus ammo from 1977 (lot 12 FNB 77). The first string was a 188-4X, 2nd group a 189-7X at 100Yd.

* South African surplus ammo from 1981 R1M1(lot B07/81), The first string was a 179-5X, 2nd group a 189-1X at 100Yd.

* Pakistan military surplus ammo from 1980 using (lot WT 12/80). Headstamp POF 80 L2A2. My best score was only a 180-0X.

* Argentine, soon. Completed the 550 yards targets.
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Target?

Which target was used at 100 yards? Or what is the diameter of the 10 and X rings. Also what position were you shooying from?

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Old March 15th, 2007, 11:06 AM   #5
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It's good ammunition, it's what you need it for, will tell you if you need it or not. If your just going for a primary paper puncher or plinking, No, but for more competition, maybe yes then.
Well, I'm still at the familiarization stage of assembling and disassembling my recently purchased Norinco Sportster
Considering it only cost me $400 and looks like it's hardly been shot at all, I'm in no hurry to shoot before I've gone
over it nose-to-tail.
It has been shot so little that the safety has never been used, which explains why it was so stiff,

Current plans are to shoot it short-range (< 300 meter)..
So I guess I don't need such ammo soon.

At about $1 per round, is that ball park for such ammo ?


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Good topic. Moving this one to the 7.62mm subforum.

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Is this stuff really worth $1 per round ?
The last million round order from the US Govt for this ammunition cost $1,270,000 or $1.27 per round. Personally, I don't trust the company that is offering you that ammo though.

Yor best best for 500+ yard shooting is some NM or carefully selected LC brass, IMR 4895, and 168 Sierra MK bullets for a cost of less that what you'll pay for the surplus M118. I've shot clean with this combination at 600 yards a number of times. In a bolt gun, substitute Lapua brass.

For what you'll pay for that can of ammunition, you can easily set yourself up for reloading with some carefull purchases and continue to save money for decades to come.

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Make sure your gun has enough twist for the 175 grain Sierra. I had Glen Nelson build my 3 M-1As with the 1 ~ 11 twist barrel just to make sure I could handle all ammo I was likely to try at the 600 yd line.

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I agree with almost everything Nolan said. I use Lapua brass for custom loads for the M14 type rifle and have found it to last as long as L.C. brass. Neither are worth trying for more than 4, 5 tops hand loads in the 14 before they hit the scrap bucket. Now, back to the topic. Are these good for 500 yards + shooting? Yes, that is what they were designed for. The question is, is your rifle good for 500+ yards shooting. A 1:12 twist barrel will shoot the 175 bullets at the 600 yard line, however most perfere a faster twist, 1:10 for the 600 line, the 1:12 will shoot and stabilize these bullets at 600 yards. Member 30cal IIRC uses a Krieger heavy weight barrel at the 600 line with the 175's. Like Nolan, I've had good results with 168 grain bullets at that distance. The biggest object with the M14 rifle is getting the rifle to shoot close to the barrels potential. Get that worked out and find a load your rifle likes and your in business. Easy huh. I'd try a box of any good match ammo, 168 or 175 in your rifle to see if you need ball or special ball ammo ammo. If there is not a bunch of difference from match ammo than M80 or WWB, stick with more affordable ammo until you tune your shooter up for more accuracy. HTH

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