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Old May 15th, 2017, 08:14 PM   #1
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Question for the members here that hunt and more

I use a Ruger M77 SS in .308 to hunt deer out here in So CA but would like to when able have me an M1A built for that duty...
Question: CA is going to no lead bullets for game hunting in the future and I wish to start thinking/loading now.

Any of you guys use non-lead bullets in your rifles; M1A specifically?
Do they group? use same load data? Brands?

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Old May 15th, 2017, 08:16 PM   #2
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Sorry Jeff, I don't but I'm looking forward to listening to the comments on the solids.

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Old May 15th, 2017, 08:17 PM   #3
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Sorry Jeff, I don't but I'm looking forward to listening to the comments on the solids.
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Old May 15th, 2017, 11:02 PM   #4
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I use 180gr Barnes Vortex all copper bullets. Didn't zero with that ammo but a similar round. Worked for me, I was in condor country so I had to use it. I will just go ahead and use it every where.
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Old May 15th, 2017, 11:13 PM   #5
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I have loaded Barnes bullets in 6.8, .308 & 30-06. Long story short, they group just fine. They cost more because they are worth it. Devastating terminal performance.... and they retain most, if not all of their of their weight after impact.

For my M1a, I was using the Barnes 168 TTSX with IMR 3031 in the typical 39.5 grain range. I didn't have a lot of time to really work it up so I went with the typical load using 3031.... anyway, the first hog I shot with it had it's guts blown out. Yes, it was a small one... but at dusk it was hard to tell how big it was because it was the only one I saw and it was about 100 yards away and I was using irons sights with my NM M1a.

The second larger hog was taken with a 95 grain TTSX in my 6.8 SPC II AR. I use Accurate 2200 for that load.. 30 grains at 2.295 COAL if I recall correctly.
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Old May 16th, 2017, 03:11 AM   #6
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California makes my head hurt.

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Old May 16th, 2017, 06:15 AM   #7
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Nosler E-Tips that I loaded myself.

Killed two does back in 2015 with my M1A.

Most all the non leaded bullets have some sort of ballistic tip so they should feed fine. Just don't load them as hot as some of the reloading books suggest, and then find a bullet weight and brand that your rifle likes.

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Old May 16th, 2017, 08:36 AM   #8
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I have not hunted with them yet - but I am planning on using copper only for my hunting here in CO... the 5 I am testing out at the moment, once I get the new optic sighted in, are:

Federal Vital-Shok 165gr "Trophy" Copper
Fiocchi Extrema 168gr TTSX
Nosler Trophy Grade 168gr E-Tip
Hornady Full Boar 165gr GMX
Barnes Vor-Tx 168gr TTSX

I've HEARD from some other users of the same caliber the Barnes TTSX perform the best for consistency box to box, round to round, hunting / expansion for deer & elk (& boar if I venture to other states) in .308 but whether it'll perform best in the M1A is as yet to be determined.

For me in CO it is a choice to go lead free as it is not a requirement.

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Old May 16th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #9
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Yes, its mandatory on government property and, in several states, even on private property over here.
I don't hunt with my EBR, its simply to clumbsy to carry uphill. My Mauser 66S in 308 digests Hornady GMX and Barnes TTSX 150gr quite well. Good precission and good instant killing...if properly placed. No extended trackings of wounded animals according to the park rangers on a 20k+ basis.
Yes, the bullets are expencive to reload but compared to 5€ for a 9,3x74 round, which I reload for my brother, its worth the efford.
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[QUOTE=Walt Longmire;2859673]... the 5 I am testing out at the moment, once I get the new optic sighted in, ...QUOTE]

Go for the lighter bullets. The solids need speed for proper expansion.
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Old May 16th, 2017, 12:00 PM   #11
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... the 5 I am testing out at the moment, once I get the new optic sighted in, ...QUOTE]

Go for the lighter bullets. The solids need speed for proper expansion.
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What do you mean lighter bullet? You think I should go for 150gr? I was told by numerous hunters while it CAN take down an elk, the 165/168gr is a much better fit to take down a larger animal with a thicker hide.

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Use load data for copper not lead. A copper bullet will be longer than lead for the same weight. Pressures will be different...

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So what was Kalifornia's reason for banning lead bullets for hunting in the future? I suppose to "save" the enviroment. Sad story! Tom from MN

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So what was Kalifornia's reason for banning lead bullets for hunting in the future? I suppose to "save" the enviroment. Sad story! Tom from MN
If you can't ban guns, ban the ammo. Their "reason" was to save wildlife but that is a farce

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The Poor Deer does not die from lead Poisoning but what do I know?
Mine had Copper Poisoning .

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