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Old May 2nd, 2017, 03:32 PM   #1
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168gr Tests and disection: Hornady TAP vs BH Red

Shot and then dissected a box of BH Red Box 168 and 168gr Hornady TAP. Through my Scout Squad Walnut with T-1 Aimpoint at 50yds BH shot softer than TAP and equal with TAP on group sizes with all rounds touching. (I'd hope so at 50yds)

Black Hills 168gr Factory New:

Bullet: 168gr
Case: BH
Powder: 44gr of a dark large grain extruded powder (Darker and larger than H4895, see pic below)
Primer: Whatever BH uses.

Hornady TAP 168gr:

Bullet: 168gr AMAX (Hornady Rep told me the TAP AMAX for 155, 168 are differnt constructed bullets than what we buy as traditional AMAX, and you can see a difference looking at them. Rep said the AMAX are designed to expand better)
Case: Hornady
Powder: 43.7gr of a mixed grain extruded powder (Looked like H4895 and a smaller darker grain of another)

Since I am not going to even attempt at replicating a mixed powder like Hornady I have no questions on the TAP. However, since I was told BH 168gr Match uses RL-15 I'd like to know if the grainules in the picture are RL-15:


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Old May 2nd, 2017, 03:49 PM   #2
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I would say that it is, looks just like some that I have, though I don't see as many longer logs in yours as I did in mine, but I think I see a couple in your pan. Interesting in that the Hornady manual for .308 Service Rifle lists 42 grs as max with R15.

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The Lawyers got a hold of the reloading manual before it went to press.

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Old May 3rd, 2017, 05:24 AM   #4
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I would say that it is, looks just like some that I have, though I don't see as many longer logs in yours as I did in mine, but I think I see a couple in your pan. Interesting in that the Hornady manual for .308 Service Rifle lists 42 grs as max with R15.
More likely BH and Hornady load for 308 pressure for the bolt guns. We can just get away with them in the M1A. Hornady rep told me to use RL-15 to mimic their TAP loads. Though they don't use RL-15, looks like BH does use it.

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You might find this interesting... .308 ELD Match TAP .. AR

Specifically made for gas guns...

https://www.gtdist.com/products/guns...-ar-168gr.html


"Designed specifically for the 308 AR-10 platform and its variants, the resilient tip of the ELD-X® bullet aids in reliable feed and function, and the propellant is specifically tailored to efficiently operate in the AR-10. The 168 gr. ELD® Match bullet with Heat Shield® tip delivers the excellent terminal performance TAP Precision® is known for, but features a resilient, heat resistant polymer tip that improves the ballistic coefficient, resulting in higher impact velocities, less drop, less wind drift, and more energy on target."

Bullet: 168 GR. ELD® MATCH
Muzzle Velocity: 2512 fps
Barrel: 18"
Twist Rate: 1:8"
Total Penetration: 15. 25"
Max. Cavity: 5"
Depth to Max. Cav.: 4.5"
Entry: 0.5"
Retained Weight: 101.4 gr.


The Hornady rep. e-mail said it was more suitable for a M1A as well.

Hopefully, this weekend I will be able to compare it to the traditional TAP ELD as well. At 300yds. As well as chrono it.

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That sounds good let me know.

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