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Old November 24th, 2006, 09:42 AM   #1
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Question 1st reload = 150 or 168 grain??

Since I waited too long to purchase SA surplus, I will soon begin to reload. Since I expect to be shooting MY reloads ONLY (due to mil-surp shortages/price increases), should I plan to reload 150 grain or 168grain?? FMJ or HPBT?? Is there a DRASTIC difference in point of impact between 150 vs 168 grain??
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Old November 24th, 2006, 10:15 AM   #2
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Hi Bill, The 168gr SMK seams to be the most popular bullet used by M14- M1A shooters. Why you ask ? Because it works very good in our rifles. My most accurate load is :
a 168gr SMK over 41.4gr of H-4895 in LC brass with a Federal GM210 primer. I seat the bullet to obtain a COAL of 2.80". This load = about 2625fps to 2650fps when fired from MY rifle. If you decide to try this load start with a lighter powder charge and work up slowly as the load given is close to max. HTH

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Old November 24th, 2006, 10:26 AM   #3
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If accuracy is what you're wanting, its hard to beat the old standby of 41.5g IMR 4895 under a Sierra 168g SMK seated to 2.80 OAL. In my SAI Loaded model, it shoots great out to 600 yards (as far as I've gone with it).

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Old November 24th, 2006, 10:43 AM   #4
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"Since I waited too long to purchase surplus"

Gee Bill - you must be really heart broken, now that you can save about 15 cents for every round you reload! Just bustin' your chops - but reloading is the way to go.

I agree with the data above, use 168's for accurate reloads. But think really hard about hornady 150 spire points as accurate plinkers (10 c each in bulk).

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Old November 24th, 2006, 01:02 PM   #5
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For just plain plinking I use 147FMJ, but for target accuracy I use 168SMK (200yds-600yds) Haven't tried 175SMK. I have heard a number of others who shoot 1000yds it is their preferred.

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Old November 24th, 2006, 06:50 PM   #6
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Is your M1A scoped or iron sighted? If scoped, the 168 Match loads will be a noticeable improvement. If open sighted, for me at least, it's awful hard to realize much improvement from the FMJ to Match bullets.

At my latest trip to the range, my iron sighted M1A shot approximately the same size groups with my 168 Match reloads as it did with Malaysian surplus, at 100 yards, but the 168 was a couple of inches higher than POA, whereas the surplus FMJ was on POA.

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Old November 24th, 2006, 07:22 PM   #7
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My M1A is noticably more accurate with 165-168gr bullets than with 147-150.

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Old November 29th, 2006, 03:21 PM   #8
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You musn't b shootin' SMK 168gr? 'Cause the best price I've found so far for them is $0.23 for each projectile. Pray tell, what are you loading for $.15 a round?

Best prices I've found so far with:

Fed GM210 $.02ea
IMR 4895 42gr@$.09
SMK 168gr $.22ea
and "once fired" bulk brass $.10ea

is $0.44/round

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"Since I waited too long to purchase surplus"

Gee Bill - you must be really heart broken, now that you can save about 15 cents for every round you reload! Just bustin' your chops - but reloading is the way to go.

I agree with the data above, use 168's for accurate reloads. But think really hard about hornady 150 spire points as accurate plinkers (10 c each in bulk).

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Old November 29th, 2006, 03:41 PM   #9
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The Nosler 168gr bullet should cost about $38 for 250--> 15 each. They sell factory seconds for 10-12 each.

Nosler J4 factory 2nd-->10
Surplus IMR 4895-->8
Primer-->1
Brass--2

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Old November 29th, 2006, 03:50 PM   #10
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Pray tell, where are you getting these deals? Mind PM'ing or posting some links? In any case that's still a $0.21 round, I was under the impression the poster said he was reloading out the door for $0.15

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The Nosler 168gr bullet should cost about $38 for 250--> 15 each. They sell factory seconds for 10-12 each.

Nosler J4 factory 2nd-->10
Surplus IMR 4895-->8
Primer-->1
Brass--2

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Old November 29th, 2006, 04:25 PM   #11
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Surplus 4895?

Guys, I'm a total neophyte here - but I'm fairly handy with research and don't mind reading a great deal. I just came across this post about surplus 4895 producing low muzzle velocities, thought I'd share:

http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/reloa...ames;read=9751

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Old November 29th, 2006, 06:33 PM   #12
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Preferred Loads for 150 gr. FMJs?

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Since I waited too long to purchase SA surplus, I will soon begin to reload. Since I expect to be shooting MY reloads ONLY (due to mil-surp shortages/price increases), should I plan to reload 150 grain or 168grain?? FMJ or HPBT?? Is there a DRASTIC difference in point of impact between 150 vs 168 grain??
Thanks, Bill
Since milsurp ammo is now highly priced, I've gotten serious with reloading. Although the 168 gr. bullet gives great performance, they are more costly than the 150 gr. FMJs.

If you have a preferred powder and charge for the 150 gr. FMJ, I would appreciate the information.

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Old November 29th, 2006, 07:46 PM   #13
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I've seen pulled 147gr FMJs that sell in the $.04/ppc range. I'd love to develop a load for these. But since I've not reloaded my first round yet I cannot even imagine where to start. Supposedly these bullets are basically identical to M80 ball. Is there a site that has recipes for demilled ammo?

All I care to do is duplicate or better the performance of SA .308 - which I can get in 1.5" groups at 100 yards. This would presumably be my 0-200yd load and I'd develop something for 200-600 or so.

Anyway any links or recommendations for books that discuss using the thicker LC/IMI cases and demilled FMJ bullets would be most appreciated. If I can use these components my rounds will cost less than $.20 a peice which is where I want to be for plinking.

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I've seen pulled 147gr FMJs that sell in the $.04/ppc range. I'd love to develop a load for these. But since I've not reloaded my first round yet I cannot even imagine where to start. Supposedly these bullets are basically identical to M80 ball. Is there a site that has recipes for demilled ammo?

All I care to do is duplicate or better the performance of SA .308 - which I can get in 1.5" groups at 100 yards. This would presumably be my 0-200yd load and I'd develop something for 200-600 or so.

Anyway any links or recommendations for books that discuss using the thicker LC/IMI cases and demilled FMJ bullets would be most appreciated. If I can use these components my rounds will cost less than $.20 a peice which is where I want to be for plinking.
One of the more valuable tools I ever got for reloading was a chrony. With a chrony I was/am able to measure factory/surplus ammo then test my reloads to see if I am getting similar velocities as well as measure accuracy.

Example: If I find that SA avgs 2800fps for 147FMJs and the spread is 2in at 100yds, at a reduce velocity 2700fps I got a better grouping. Before I got the chrony, I was guessing at the speeds thinking I was getting what the book said I should get. I was wrong. One load I thought it was 2650fps, but it measured 2400fps. And at 200yds, it changed my sighting elevation because of the speed differences.

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Old November 29th, 2006, 08:18 PM   #15
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Teotwawki: Here's a website: http://www.handloads.com/ , with many types of pistol and rifle loads for various powders, bullet types and weights, with comments on type of firearm used. I've used a few of these loads (usually backing off 10% on the powder charge to start) to experiment. If others have a tried-and-true reload they want to share, I will shamelessly borrow it.

I like your price point of 20 cents a round or less and performance objective in matching or bettering SA ammo.

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