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Old March 4th, 2017, 07:14 AM   #1
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Neutralizing Ammonia-based Bore Cleaner

I'm not certain exactly which forum this should be in but I finally thought this was the most appropriate. My question is: Will the cleaner "Simple Green" neutralize the ammonia in copper-removing solvents such as Sweets? (Let's not get into whether or not I should use ammonia products - I have my reasons for doing so) I intend to swab with the Sweets, dry patch until clean, neutralize with the Simple Green. Anything I should change?

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Old March 4th, 2017, 07:27 AM   #2
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I pretty much just follow the guidelines on the Sweets bottle except that I run Kroil on the patches for the last step. One kroil patch then a dry patch for a couple of cycles. Been doing that for years with no problems

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Old March 4th, 2017, 08:51 AM   #3
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Ammonia is slightly alkaline, as are most detergents, so they will not "neutralize" ammonia. You can only "neutralize" alkalies with acid, and that would leave a salt deposit. You can remove(dilute) the ammonia with a patch moistened with H2O, dry and then oil.


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Old March 4th, 2017, 09:07 AM   #4
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I follow up Sweets or Barnes CR10 with lots of #9, dry and oil.

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Old March 4th, 2017, 09:28 AM   #5
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I would not use simple green on your weapon. Follow up with a few patches of oil, rem oil, eezox, etc to neutralize.


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If you really feel you need to neutralize a copper fouling-removing bore cleaner use a clean patch soaked with nitrogen peroxide. Got this info from AMU shooters

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nitrogen peroxide or hydrogen peroxide?
https://www.reference.com/science/ne...313864df792f5b vinegar

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nitrogen peroxide or hydrogen peroxide?
Hydrogen peroxide but then, because it's an acid, salts are deposited. Then you need water. May as well just start with RO water. Same problem with vinegar, as salts are what you get when you mix an acid with a base(vinegar+ammonia).

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Ammonia has a pH of about 11.

A solution of baking soda is about 8 (7 is neutral). So if you use baking soda, it will dilute the H+ concentration and bring you closer to neutral pH.

I do like finishing up with a patch that has been oiled.

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IIRC, when Sweet's was first discovered to etch bores under certain circumstances, one of the potntial problems identified was chemical reactions when Sweet's was mixed with other products - specifically Kroil. At that time, a 50/50 mix of Shooter's Choice bore solvent and Kroil was very popular among benchrest shooters. My understanding was that some people were mixing Sweet's and Kroil, and subsequently experiencing etched bores. I don't know if it was ever definitively established if the mixture of Sweet's and Kroil was responsible, or if the mixture was left in the bore for too long and the ammonia in Sweet's caused the etching. I do recall that the manufacturer cautioned against mixing anything with Sweet's.

That would make me very leary about using Simple Green or anything else to try to remove Sweet's from my bore, perhaps with the exception of water. I would favor an extended session with dry patches until I was certain that the bore was totally dry, followed up with my oil of choice. Just MHO - I stopped using Sweet's many years ago.

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I have been using wet patches with generous amounts of Hoppe's No. 9 after using ammonia based bore cleaner. I am not a chemist and would be interested to know a more effective way to follow up after using Sweets.

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When I used Sweets, I would follow up with water, and Rem Oil. I got in the routine of running a dry patch through before I would deploy/go to the range.

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IIRC, when Sweet's was first discovered to etch bores under certain circumstances, one of the potntial problems identified was chemical reactions when Sweet's was mixed with other products - specifically Kroil.
The MSDS for Kroil does not list a pH, but Sili-Kroil has an acid pH(6-7). That makes it mixing an acid and base which results in salt deposits.


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Just run patches through when you're done with the sweets. After that you normally might switch to conventional bore cleaners and by the time that's done I doubt there would be any sweets left.

I use the strong stuff early and swab it out and switch to another bore solvent or CLP.

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