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Old March 1st, 2017, 07:21 PM   #1
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Hirtenberger 1970s Vintage or 2016 MEN from Germany?

In anticipation for my next rifle (Bula M21 DMR w/ 19.25" Bula NM Barrel) I want to order some bulk ammo. My problem is that I see a few good deals and wanted to know which of the following two ammo options you think would be better for my specific setup. FMJ Hirtenberger Surplus Ammo 1970s Vintage or German MEN from 2016 (MEN762A)? Has there been much of an accuracy difference between the two? Any issues with either?

From what I've been able to dig up on here it looks like both have good reputations, if this is true I would think ordering the newer ammo would be better for storage just in case I don't use it right away?

The Ammo that I'm looking at:

240 Round Pack or 960 Round Case - 7.62x51 NATO 147 grain FMJ Hirtenberger Surplus Ammo 1970s Vintage
http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/240-round-pack-762x51-nato-147-grain-fmj-hirtenberger-surplus-ammo-1970s
http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-wi...lus-ammo-1970s


320 round case - 7.62x51 NATO 147 grain Ammo Made in Germany by MEN in 2016 - MEN762A
http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/320-round-case-762x51-nato-147-grain-ammo-made-germany-men-2016-men762a

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Old March 1st, 2017, 07:22 PM   #2
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Cheapest!

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Old March 1st, 2017, 07:38 PM   #3
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If you going to shoot it in the near future buy the cheapest. For long term storage buy the MEN 2016. The Hirtenberger is already 40 years old and was sold off as surplus.

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Old March 1st, 2017, 07:42 PM   #4
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I wouldn't worry about age, storage conditions are far more important. I have Hirt that is from the 70s that looks better than Winchester white box purchased yesterday.

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Hello, My question would be.
"Do you reload or plan on it?" If, yes; then go with the MEN 2016, it's boxer primed. Yet, I'm frugal not cheap... Just my opinion; it ain't worth shat.

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Old March 2nd, 2017, 07:49 AM   #6
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Just a heads up fella's.... I just noticed that an email from SGammo that I got this week states the price of 960 Round Case - 7.62x51 NATO 146 grain FMJ Hirtenberger Surplus Ammo 1970s Vintage is going to go back up to $479.60 this Sunday. I will have to make my decision before then...

Here is their exact message: "Last chance at this price, we have been selling at $20 off regular price and that sale ends this Sunday the 5th and price will go back to $479.60"

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Just a preference but I would go for the Hirtenburger

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I agree with RDS buy the MEN and save all that great brass for down the road.

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Hirt has a bi-metal jacket if attracting a magnet might be a problem at your range . MEN for re-loading. -Lloyd

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I've used both recently and had a horrible experience with the Hirt (absurd amount of FTF) however I've shot 200+ rounds of MEN and they all functioned flawlessly.

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Old March 3rd, 2017, 04:32 AM   #11
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Being retired my purse led me to purchase the Hirtenburger a short while ago. I have yet to try it out.

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My youngest can near "maintain" 2 MOA out of both our rifles looking this growing stack of Shoot-n-Sees we keep date referenced to the Data Books specifically with 10 shot groups he circles. 100 yds./iron sights neither is a "Match" built rifle. One a Fulton/Criterion CL 1:12, the other a LRB M14SA w/CL SAK. Both loads for SURE more consistent than the ZQI MaoMart used to sell cheap and SEEMS slightly better than M80 surp. I ordered the Berdan 70's Hirt (like below) from Sam last spring and had to clean some cases up with a Scotchbrite, but not the Boxer primed later dated Hirt I got from Palmetto that some guys did. Out of 300+ rds. of the 70's Hirtenberger about 6 FTF. Not one yet with the MEN. So MEN/Boxer VS. Berdan Hirt a consideration if you reload. My third rifle is coming together using Jon Wolfe's MSWM Barrel which I hope will help (me) shoot tighter groups.

For us another variable behind all the talk about firearm freedom here in Texas (north central anyway) we have to buy keeping in mind that 90% of the ranges here don't allow FMJ/steel core anything. Just don't expect you'll approach FGMM performance with either and some reviews approaching near mythical capabilities of the Hirtenberger.

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Old March 3rd, 2017, 09:29 AM   #13
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I just ran some 70s vintage Hirt yesterday out of my 22" SEI crazy horse chambered in m118lr... it was an absolute hammer out to 400 yards. Had all fist sized groups on steel and one round out of around 45 shot was a dud.

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Old March 4th, 2017, 03:04 PM   #14
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Congratulations guys.

You just landed SGammo a sale of 3 cases of that MEN stuff.

Already had a pile of Hirt.

Looking forward to one more flavor of fun.

You'll have to ask them about your commission.

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