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Old July 25th, 2016, 10:57 PM   #1
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Thoughts on a new after market magazine?

I work in a stamp shop that makes magazines for Russian firearms. Our tooling guy wants to make M-14 magazines and I want to get an idea of if they will be accepted.

The idea is a heavily corrugated magazine to prevent deforming in use or heat treatment. A curved magazine body to allow increased capacity without low feeds. And a tool less take down floor plate to aid in easy cleaning.

Magazine bodies would be made from 1050 carbon steel and treated with Nitride coating. Which would be more resistant to scuffing, scratching and rust compared to Phosphate coatings.

Overall geometry would be faithful to the original design but would use newer designs to improve function in select areas.

I understand that CMI has a pretty good hold of the marked, but they have not really made anything different in a long time.. The design of M-14 magazines has not really changed in 60 years.

Are there any defects that forum members could point out that we could try to solve?

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Old July 26th, 2016, 04:43 AM   #2
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The tail on the follower that engages the bolt stop should be larger as they were in the original usgi magazines as compared to current CMI mags. There have been a few guns that won't play nice with the checkmate magazines because of this.

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Old July 26th, 2016, 05:15 AM   #3
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An extended and/or curved mag may interfere with prone and sand-bagged positions.

20 rds. of .308 weighs 1 lbs.

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Old July 26th, 2016, 05:40 AM   #4
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While I don't oppose new concepts, one thing I love about M14s is their straight magazines.

It wouldn't hurt to make a competitive steel magazine, but I think in terms of magazines that more people are waiting for some sort of polymer/magpulish magazine to be manufactured (and be reliable).

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Old July 26th, 2016, 06:21 AM   #5
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I've always been surprised that there is not a lightweight polymer mag made by someone. That's what I might like to see. Although then again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. An empty steel mag can't be that much heavier than an empty polymer mag would be...

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Old July 26th, 2016, 06:39 AM   #6
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I love CMI magazines. How could they be improved by being plastic? Only talking about 20 CMI magazines though.

I prefer metal over polycarbonate any day, even on weapons.

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Old July 26th, 2016, 06:52 AM   #7
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I've always been surprised that there is not a lightweight polymer mag made by someone. That's what I might like to see. Although then again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. An empty steel mag can't be that much heavier than an empty polymer mag would be...
There are polymer mags out there, but the general consensus is they are garbage. I think the bolt shaves the plastic while loading rounds.

Magpul has been asked about M14 mags but they do not believe there is a market for them.

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The single biggest issue you will have is reliability. If it does not work 100%, all the time, then it will be a wasted venture in my mind. Kind of hard to improve upon a 60 year old battle proven design.
I am not saying that I will not try them out, but I have less issues with my M14 magazines then I do with my AR magazines.

Keep us informed on you developments!

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Old July 26th, 2016, 07:55 AM   #9
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welcome Csspecs!

Personally I think a metal VENTED hand guard (original in appearance to the fiberglass) that doesn't crack - might be received better. Need to be sure it does not rub the stock or transmit heat, if possible.

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Old July 26th, 2016, 08:19 AM   #10
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Your guys should take a good look at a original BM59 magazine. It's actually a better designed than the USGI mag. While they won't interchange between weapons they have stainless steel followers and are stamped differently and feel a bit heavier. Hold them up together in your hands and you'll see and feel the difference.

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Personally I think a metal VENTED hand guard (original in appearance to the fiberglass) that doesn't crack - might be received better. Need to be sure it does not rub the stock or transmit heat, if possible.
I've been using the vented fiberglass handguard as well as a vented wooden handguard on my Scout.

(Shameless plug coming: see my rifle "Clarrisa" in the M14 of the Month competition in the GEEDUNK forum.)

It's been mentioned quite a few times on this forum that, the heat rising up through the vents creates a mirage type effect, which interferes with the sight image, using both irons and scope.

In the Texas heat when the ground is already causing a mirage, the additional mirage, caused by the barrel heat, makes seeing a target difficult.

The vented guards look neat, but were used during a time when the M14 was full auto and aiming was not always necessary.

There would be a market for vented metal handguards, just no way of knowing how big of a market.

Magazines will need to be perfected to run totally flawless, to even have a chance of gaining any of the market.

You will have to give away several mags, to M1A owners that we here on the forum trust, for testing and hope they come back with encouraging results.

Difficult to compete with the established companies but there is always a chance for the little guy.

Some may like the curved magazine and are not concerned with bench rest shooting nor added weight.

Remember you are trying to persuade a group of "don't like change, nothing but USGI" die-hards.

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Your guys should take a good look at a original BM59 magazine. It's actually a better designed than the USGI mag. While they won't interchange between weapons they have stainless steel followers and are stamped differently and feel a bit heavier. Hold them up together in your hands and you'll see and feel the difference.
NATO, they look like great mags. Why wouldn't they be interchangeable between weapons? I haven't done any reading on them.

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Keep it 20 rounds. What a lot of us want is a Polymer magazine with steel reinforced top of the magazine. I have been pondering this for a while and I have a crude drawing of a polymer magazine. Something like this.



If or when you get some for testing let us know.

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NATO, they look like great mags. Why wouldn't they be interchangeable between weapons? I haven't done any reading on them.
A-they will not fit.
B- Even the well used surplus ones that are recently now in country, cost twice as much as new C.M.I. mags.


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Old July 26th, 2016, 02:56 PM   #15
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Things to consider:

The M14 design requires a well made, robust magazine. Because of the way it "rocks" into place, a polymer mag body with a metal top end would need one helluva good way to attach the 2 pieces together.

The OP works in metal stamping shop. I doubt they want to expand into polymer products.

The BM59 mags are expensive not only because they are rare, but because they are extremely well made. They are much larger than M14 mags because of this. http://www.fulton-armory.com//faqs/M14-FAQs/MagComp.htm

Uncle Sam experimented with aluminum mags back when they were trying to make a lightweight version of the M14. I think that is still the best bet for a lighter mag.

A parkerized steel handguard with vents, possibly with a welded clamp, would get a lot interest among the M14 community.

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