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Old July 24th, 2016, 05:55 PM   #1
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picked up some m118 match ammo today. lot 12082 1968. is this stuff any good. $20.00 per box. 173 gr. mv 2550. lc manufactuer


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picked up some m118 match ammo today. lot 12082 1968. is this stuff any good. $20.00 per box. 173 gr. mv 2550. lc manufactuer
My rifle shoots 175gr Sierra hpbt very well with 39.5/40.0 gr H4895 in mil-surp brass with CCI BR-2 primers...
Have not crono'd yet

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M118 match ammo today. lot 12082 1968. is this stuff any good?
1, M852 Lake City from 1991. Top score of 200-20X, on a SR-1 NRA standard 100 yard target, 1-20 round mag only with my NM M1A.
2, Argentine FLB, surplus from 1983, 200-16X.
3, M118LR Lake City from 2003, 200-13X.
4, German DAG, surplus from 1993, 200-12X.
5, M118SB Lake City from 1983, 200-10X.

6, M852 Lake City from 1988, 200-10X.
7, Radway Green surplus from 1990, 200-10X.
8, Greek surplus from 1980, 200-10X.
9. Santa Barbara surplus from 1968, 200-8X.
10, Australian MF surplus from 1966, 200-6X.
11, M118SB Lake City from 1985, a 199-12X.
12, Nigerian from 1970, 199-10X.
13, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1979, a 199-10X.
14, Radway Green surplus from 1985, 198-12X.
15, Belgium surplus from 1977, 198-10X.
16, Bosnian surplus from 2003, 198-10X.
17, Radway Green surplus from 1995, 198-9X
18, Austria surplus from 1980, 198-8X.
19, South African surplus from 1980, 198-6X.
20, Santa Barbara surplus from 1980, 197-14X.
21, Argentine surplus from 1983, 197-8X.
22, German DAG, surplus from 1976, 197-8X.
23, German MEN, surplus from 1969, 197-6X.
24, Singapore surplus from 1986, 196-11X.
25, Israeli surplus from 1974, 196-10X.
26, Australian ADI surplus from 1988, 196-8X.
27, Bosnian M118 surplus from 2003, 196-8X.
28, Serbia surplus from 2002, 196-6X.
29, Malaysian surplus from 1982, 195-6X.
30, Malaysian surplus from 1983, 194-9X.
31, Lithuanian surplus from 2003, 194-6X.
32, Serbia surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
33, Venezuelan surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
34, Denmark, surplus from 1993, 193-2X.
35, Canadian, surplus from 1970, 192-8X.
36, Chilean, surplus from 1976, 191-4X.
37, Indonesian surplus from 1985, 190-6X
38, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1978, 190-4X.
39, Austria surplus from 1978, 190-3X.
40, South African surplus from 1981, 189-1X.
41, Pakistan surplus from 1979. Score of 188-4X.

This is some of the Lake City I have tested...

Lake City, '58, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '64, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '65, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '66, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with purple primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '66, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '68, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '70, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with light red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '70, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with green primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '71, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '81, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '82, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '83, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '83, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '84, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '85, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year (+) M 118 SB
Lake City, '86, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '87, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '88, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year (+) M 118 SB
Lake City, '88, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '89, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '90, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '91, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '91, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '92, [ LC Match], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year (+) M 118 SB
Lake City, '94, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '95, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '98, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. (+)
Lake City, '03, [ LC LR ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. LC 03 LR
Lake City, '04, [ LC LR ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. LC 04 LR
Lake City, '12, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with purple primer sealant. LC (+) 12



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Old July 24th, 2016, 06:28 PM   #4
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picked up some m118 match ammo today. lot 12082 1968. is this stuff any good. $20.00 per box. 173 gr. mv 2550. lc manufactuer
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For a buck a round, if you plan on doing any serious shooting, I'd get into reloading.

M118 is easy to duplicate.

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M118LR holds a good 1"-1.25" five shot group at its worst... It doesn't get much better than .75" but decent for the money. And now you have a good start on brass for reloading...

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Gents,

The Sierra 175 Match King bullet had not been invented yet in 1968... Those are 173gr FMJ Lake City bullets.

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Oh man... Thx for the info

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picked up some m118 match ammo today. lot 12082 1968. is this stuff any good. $20.00 per box. 173 gr. mv 2550. lc manufactuer
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The Sierra 175 Match King bullet had not been invented yet in 1968... Those are 173gr FMJ Lake City bullets.
2336USMC is correct, M118NM or M118 Match back in the day was good ammo and still is if your rifle likes it. This ammo predates the M852 loading using the 168SMK. The 2550FPS quoted on the box was measure at 78ft from the muzzle, at 15ft it should chrono near 2640ish.

You didn't get burned on the price nor did you get the bro deal. The brass is good too go for reloading.

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Yes it is decent match ammo. Not quite as good as modern HPBT match ammo, but it was THE 'match ammo' of its time, for use out to 1000 yards.

M118 MATCH was the (a) predecessor of the current M118LR ammo. The primary difference being that the earier 173 grain FMJ bullet is replaced with a 175 grain HPBT bullet in the M118LR.

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picked up some m118 match ammo today. lot 12082 1968. is this stuff any good. $20.00 per box. 173 gr. mv 2550. lc manufactuer
No comment on the price - that was an ok deal if you wanted the ammo. Face it, they are not making this any more --
My experience with LC M118 and the 173 gr bullet was not real good. My main match rifle did not do well with it. I had a back up gun that Harlon Freeman fitted with a 1:10 twist 4 grove Barnett barrel that would really shoot it well. My main match gun back then had a 1:12 twist 6 grove Barnett - and loved LC852.

It all depends on what you want to do with it --- I happen to have a few cans of LC M118 that I am holding in case I "need it". Shoots OK like it is but if I really wanted it to shoot "good" in my guns I would (and have many, many times) pull the 173 mil match bullet and seat either a Sierra 168 Match King or a 175 Match King on it and there you go.

The brass is excellent...
A trick you may try is to place your seating die in your press, run it up to allow a loaded round of the LC M118 to be ran in the die as far as the handle will cycle --- then turn your seater down until it is tight against the bullet - back the round out of the die a little and give the seater maybe a half turn down - maybe a full turn if needed. Recycle the handle - you should hear a "pop" as the bullet-case neck seal breaks--- do not move the bullet over a couple thousandths of an inch - just break the seal. Sometimes that really makes a difference with ammo that has sat for years - sometimes not --- your mileage may vary.

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I guess I got a deal at $0.34 a round for 2400 rounds last year.

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