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Old November 28th, 2015, 05:51 PM   #1
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Hornady 30 Cal .308 178 gr ELD-X

All my 308s shoot most accurately with the FGM 175 SMKs.

But just got my latest Guns and Ammo and they have an article on the new Hornady 30 Cal .308 178 gr ELD-X.

I was wondering why Sierra was dumping their tipped 175 SMK's, seems like their plastic tips were melting, which sure would affect accuracy.

Going to get the factory loaded 30 Cal .308 178 gr ELD-X first, the bullets are available now.

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Old December 25th, 2015, 09:38 AM   #3
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The have the 308 Win Mag bullets available, but 200 and 220 grain are a little too heavy for 308 Win. No loaded factory ammo either.

Midway will send as soon is available.

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I was wondering why Sierra was dumping their tipped 175 SMK's, seems like their plastic tips were melting, which sure would affect accuracy.

Where did you here this? I would think you would have too push a bullet near mach 5 before there was enough air friction too melt the tip......

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Where did you here this? I would think you would have too push a bullet near mach 5 before there was enough air friction too melt the tip......
There's an article in American Rifleman regarding these new bullets. Apparently, Hornady was using Doppler radar to check velocities down range. Things weren't adding up and they figured out the tips were melting. They claimed their competitor's tips were melting mid flight as well. So they developed the ELD-X. So this explains why most of us have better results with copper meplates.
I was curious if anyone has tried these things yet.

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Guns and Ammo, January 2016 issue. Hard to miss as the Hornady ELD-X bullets are the entire cover. Over 300 yards the plastic tips were melting.

The 178 grain bullets are on back order delivery soon.

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Old December 25th, 2015, 04:10 PM   #8
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They look awesome as far as being a one bullet does all type deal. Hornady says they are match grade (bc over .6) extremely effective hunting bullets.

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Old December 31st, 2015, 07:41 PM   #10
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Been eyeing the ELDs to go with the new IMR 4166. Will be some pricey reloads. The IMR is on the high side and the 178 ELDs are around 40 cents per.

Can't wait to hear the range reports. I wanna replace my M40 load that clone's M118LR with those components.

Interestingly the 2015 Hornady manual has the 308 Win 4166 loads listing some of the highest max pressures. Shows the SIE HPBT 155s with 46.2 grs. of compressed 4166 at 60,900 psi. And the 208 AMAXs at 61,200 psi. over 40.2 grs compressed

The 175 data is close to ELD's weight of 178 and the max pressure on that is a bit less at 56,600 psi.

Expecting pressure signs before reaching those maximums. The new bullet with the new powder is my goal for the new year.

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Where did you here this? I would think you would have too push a bullet near mach 5 before there was enough air friction too melt the tip......
Not only that, but the BC's listed by Sierra have been confirmed by independent testing groups (Bryan Litz @ Applied Ballistics) so if the tip is melting, it isn't changing the BC of the bullet much and if Sierra were to change the material to not melt, the BC's would drop less with speed.

That said, I've not been overly impressed with the 175gr TMK's out of my gun with Varget. 10 shot groups hovering around 1.75-2 MOA. I have a box of the 168 TMK's coming to do load development with.

I'd also love to test these bullets when they become more available.

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Fantastic product placement to get articles in American Rifleman and Guns and Ammo. Article says bullet tips deform in first 100-300 yards of flight. As it continues down range distortion is less. I think for 99% of the shooters out there, it is irrelevant. They are going to charge a premium for a relatively minor increase in accuracy.

Basically, this is like a new box of tide that has better labeling and "new" ingredients. My clothes seem just as clean as with the old tide.

Just so everyone knows, I am a big fan of Hornady but not so much of marketers....

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Saw some 200gr ones on the shelf yesterday at Sportsmans. No luck finding the 178 ELD match or 175 TMKs.

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I saw on Hornady's reloading page that you can push the 200gr ELD-X at 2400 fps with 41.6gr of imr 4064. And thats with a 22" 1:12. Thats a pretty mild charge. I wonder if that would be a compressed load though with the bullet being so long.

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I have seen the Hornady bullets also but have not bought any yet ! I have some of the New Sierra TMK bullets in 168 and they shoot great ! I bet the "new" tip on the Sierras are a improvement to the old SMK & a answer to the ELDs. I know they shoot great out of my Remington 06,right around 1/2 MOA and a tick more ! Definitely under 1MOA with little tweaking. I need to try them in my Fulton NM & some in my M1s. I see Powder Valley you can Order the new Hornadys but not in stock yet ! Does anyone have them yet ?

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