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Portuguese 308 ammo? Wolf Ammo?

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#1 ·
I'm new to all this surplus ammo buying. Like you, I don't want to get stuck buying something I thought was a good deal only to find out it's dangerous or simply poor quality and not worth a dime.

Is Portuguese 308 good for our M14/M1A rifles? (plinking)

How about Wolf brand ammo? I heard/read that it's mostly steel core and will wear out the barrel faster. Is this true? Is it true across their entire line?

I'm surfing lots of ammo websites and comparing prices, trying to keep it apples to apples.(Berdan-Berdan, Boxer-Boxer, etc.)

I don't currently reload my own ammo. I'm just starting to learn how for another caliber as my deer hunting load (Low quantities) from my father-in-law who has reloaded for many years.

I've also read about Australian ammo here. (And the Indian ammo warning.)

Pointers?

Thanks

Coach
 
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Portugese ammo is very good indeed , as is most NATO ammo. Ther is some good 3rd world stuff , ya just gotta remember 'don't use ammo from any country where ya wouldn't drink the water.(kidding) I have used some of the following with good to excellent results. Some headstamps escape me at the moment , but off the top of my head;

USA - LC , RA , WRA , WC , FC , WCC
Portugese - FNM , BF
Spain - SB
Brit -RG
German - HP(Hirtenberger) , MEN
Sweden - SV
Austrailian
New Zealand
South African
Malaysian
Mexican -(Rem)
Brazil
 
#3 ·
Welcome on board

CoachUSMC2818,

Welcome on board CoachUSMC2818, pull up an old ammo crate and sit awhile. This here Gun Board is a great place for information on M14/M1A Rifles and Ammo. . Again welcome aboard and have yourself a great weekend Sir.

A quick run down on some of the different surplus ammo manufactures out there for the M14/M1A...

Argentine, good when found, stamped FM or SF or FLB.
Australian ADI (Australian Defense Industries)/Aussie, good, stamped AFF or MF.
Belgium, it's alright, stamped FN
German, stamped MEN and DAG, real good, cost is high when you can find it
Hirtenberger, real good, going up in price when you can find it, stamped H or HP
Israel Military Industries surplus, head stamped IMI, S, SA, SB, TA, TZ & TZZ. I have no info on how it compares with the group above through my NM M1A.
Lake City Army Ammunition, very, very, good, cost is high, NATO cross stamp, LC
Malaysian, good, hard to find, stamped MAL
Pakistan, not known yet, stamped POF
Portuguese, good, stamped BF, second in line is FNM
Radway Green (British), very good, going up in price, NATO cross stamp, RG
Santa Barbra (Spain), very good hard to find, stamped SB / 7.62x51
South African, all right, stamped R1M1
Sweden, good, rare to find, stamped Amf 070
Venezuelan, real good, when you can find it, stamped nny 7.62 MM **
Royal Ordnance (Indian), stamp OFV, I would avoid it like the Black plague!

(**Manufactured by Yugoslavia)

Just my opinion of course...

The 10 Golden Rules of Ammo:

1) You can never have too much ammo on hand. 1k rounds per battle rifle is a good minimum to start with (fubar).
2) Supplies of good surplus run out before you know it, and usually when you're running low on ammo so buy plenty while its available.
3) When in doubt about how much ammo you should buy, refer to rule #1.
4) Ammo is meant to be shot, so shoot often.
5) Because of rule #4, ammo must be replenished often as well.
6) When replenishing supply of ammo, refer to rules #1 through #3.
7) You must buy at least twice as much ammo as you shoot (fubar).
8: Always store ammo in a cool dry place (TEA).
9) If you don't have room in your house to store ammo per rule #8, build a bunker or a cellar in your back yard for storing ammo (TEA).
10) Friends don't let friends buy Indian surplus ammo (TEA). Or Never buy surplus ammo from a country where you wouldn't drink the water (midrat).

You may have seen each week posting in the New Mexico Range Report above, where I have been using a different surplus ammunitions suppler from around the world each week to test. To recap the last eight visits to the rifle range last year;

* M118LR Lake City surplus ammo from 2003 (LC-XM118LR PD). The first string was a 188-9X, 2nd group a 200-13X at 100Yd.

* M118 Lake City surplus ammo from 1985 (LC-85E135-016). The first string was a 194-9X, 2nd group a 199-12X at 100Yd.

* Santa Barbra surplus ammo from 1980. The first string was a 186-5X, 2nd group at a little better with a 197-14X at 100Yd.

* Radway Green surplus ammo from 1988 (Lot A4/1818 23.5.888). The first string was a 192-5X, 2nd group a 196-9X at 100Yd.

* Australian ADI surplus ammo from 1988 (lot AFF 24-8-88), The first string was a 194-5X, 2nd group a 196-8X at 100Yd.

* Venezuelan surplus ammo from 1989 HS nny (lot PPU 8909 ), The first string was a 192-9X, 2nd group a 194-2X at 100Yd.**

* Portuguese m/963 surplus ammo from 1978 (lot FNM78-23). The first string was a 181-0X, 2nd group a 190-4X at 100Yd.

* Hirtenberger surplus ammo from 1978 HS HP. The first string was a 188-5X, 2nd group a 190-3X at 100Yd.

* Belgium surplus ammo from 1977 Lot 12 FNB 77. The first string was a 188-4X, 2nd group a 189-7X at 100Yd.

* South African surplus ammo from 1981 R1M1(lot B07/81), The first string was a 179-5X, 2nd group a 189-1X at 100Yd.

(**Manufactured by Yugoslavia)

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