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Old October 5th, 2013, 10:50 AM   #1
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LC M118 Help

I recently acquired a box full of ammo that was supposed to be 173gr LC M118. I was told they were from various years and lots, but am skeptical as to what some of it really is. Here's some pictures:






Those I'm pretty sure is the real stuff. The ones with the green primer seal came in the [opened] box. Unfortunately, I fired 10 rounds today and accuracy was terrible.

These I'm unsure about as they came on stripper clips:


Those came on stripper clips and no cannelure on the bullet. Their headstamps are marked in black for some reason.



Those have a cannelure on the bullet and a normal headstamp.

I was under the impression that Sierra matchkings had a hollowpoint type bullet like the 168s and 175s, however none of these have a hollow point bullet. I'm not familiar with the 173 SMK however.

Does these look like legitimate M118?

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Old October 5th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #2
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I have fire almost every year you have pictures for, all are the real thing......

Lake City, '58,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '63,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year
Lake City, '64,[ LC MATCH], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '65,[ FA Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. MATCH FA year M 118
Lake City, '65,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '66,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with purple primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '66,[ LC MATCH], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '70,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with light red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '70,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with green primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '71,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '81,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. year
Lake City, '82, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '83, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '84,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '85, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year
Lake City, '86, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '87,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '88, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year NATO (+) M 118 SB
Lake City, '88, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '89,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '90,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '91,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '91,[ LC MATCH], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '94,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '95,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '98,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '03,[ LC LR ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. LC 03 LR
Lake City, '04,[ LC LR ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. LC 04 LR
Lake City, '12,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with purple primer sealant. LC (+) 12

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Old October 5th, 2013, 11:03 AM   #3
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the 118 didnt have a hollow point but the 168gr did.

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Old October 5th, 2013, 11:15 AM   #4
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I have fire almost every year you have pictures for, all are the real thing......

Lake City, '58,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '63,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year
Lake City, '64,[ LC MATCH], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '65,[ FA Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. MATCH FA year M 118
Lake City, '65,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '66,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with purple primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '66,[ LC MATCH], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '70,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with light red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '70,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with green primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 118
Lake City, '71,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '81,[ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with purple primer sealant. year
Lake City, '82, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '83, [ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '84,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '85, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year
Lake City, '86, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '87,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '88, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. year NATO (+) M 118 SB
Lake City, '88, [ LC Match ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '89,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '90,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '91,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '91,[ LC MATCH], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. MATCH LC year M 852
Lake City, '94,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '95,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '98,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with red primer sealant. NATO (+)
Lake City, '03,[ LC LR ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. LC 03 LR
Lake City, '04,[ LC LR ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant. LC 04 LR
Lake City, '12,[ LC ], Boxer, ring crimp with purple primer sealant. LC (+) 12

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118 went through some changes over the years. There was the match, the special ball, and the modern LR. I'm not versed enough to lay it all out.

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118 went through some changes over the years. There was the match, the special ball, and the modern LR. I'm not versed enough to lay it all out.
M-59 = 150.5 grain FMJ bullet
M-80 or XM-80 = 147 grain FMJBT bullet
M-852 =168 grain SMK bullet
M118 or XM118 =173/174 grain LC bullet
M118SB (Special Ball) = SB is a 173/174 grain FMJBT bullet
M118LR (Long Range) = LR is a 175 grain SMK HPBT bullet


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Old October 5th, 2013, 01:21 PM   #7
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As for the black cross markings, we used to mark our ammo in order to identify our spent brass so as to identify when policing the range for brass. Some would just put a black dot on the case, some white, red, etc., anything to help determine your own brass for future reloading.

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Old October 5th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #8
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Pulling one of the cannelured bullets and weighing it will tell you for sure what they are.

And +1 on marking your brass I do the same thing. Magic marker to make a big fat X mark on my brass.

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Hey Lenny check this out you may have seen it before interesting article about the M118 round. There are two parts to it. Steve

http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com...match.html?m=1

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Be careful of that 2-part article. Lots of errors and omissions, It does not give an accurate picture of the development of the M118 Match. And, read the introduction about the load data.

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Be careful of that 2-part article. Lots of errors and omissions, It does not give an accurate picture of the development of the M118 Match. And, read the introduction about the load data.

Ray
Ray,

For the sake of data and historical accuracy and to help educate people like me on the forum, could you possibly point out the errors and provide the corrections.

I've used the article mentioned above not knowing what is wrong. Being uninformed I just took it as sort of a gospel. I am just a trigger monkey, do not really know about the match ammo history.

Thank you.

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The article is 8 1/2 pages long. There is no way I could condense my comments into a post on the forum, nor would I be inclined to do so even if I could. In a few words, it completely misses the origin of the M118 which was the 7.62mm NATO International Match cartridge of 1956. I don't think you'll find it mentioned anywhere. Likewise, the story and timeline of the development of both the M852 and the M118LR has many omissions and factual errors. Originally, it was to be a 3-part article with the final part concentrating on load data. Part 3 was never printed and the opening comments regarding loads, by Mr. Salazar, in red, sums it up.

I do not know Mr. Salberta. I understand that he is a shooter and has written other technical articles. I am a writer myself and I know how errors can creep into an article so I'm always reluctant to criticise other writers. But, U.S. militray Match ammunition is one of my primary interests and I cannot let this article pass without some comment.

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the 118 didnt have a hollow point but the 168gr did.
I have several 1000 M118LRs, and they are all hollow points

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I have several 1000 M118LRs, and they are all hollow points
That's a 175smk, the older M118 they are talking about used a 173gr FMJ no longer made.

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Broke my RCBS kinetic puller trying to pull one of the crimped cannulured rounds. I've ordered a puller used on the press and will try that instead.

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