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Range report varget vs 8208xbr

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Old June 22nd, 2013, 09:30 PM   #1
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I just returned from the range today with my new "loaded" M1A. I shot winchester brand brass, winchester "old" (white) large rifle primers and 168 grain SMKs. I shot 4064 exclusively in my previous M1A but I have not been able to find any locally (San Antonio, TX) so I decided to try the powders that I could find, Varget and IMR 8208 XBR. I used federal 150 grain american eagle as a test control and it had a really stiff recoil and clocked at 2790 fps. Then I shot 39.0, 39.5, 40.0 and 40.5 grains of 8208XBR and 41.0, 41.5, and 42 grains of varget. The 8208 loads started at 2420 and ended up at 2520 fps with a very good recoil and op rod action that was reminiscent of my experience with 4064. the varget loads actually had practically the same fps but the recoil was pretty stiff and jammed my op rod pretty hard. I am staying with 8208xbr! (I just have to find some more!) I know recoil is pretty subjective, but I did like the 8208xbr better.

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Old June 22nd, 2013, 10:36 PM   #2
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any change in accuracy?

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Glad to hear your success with 8208. Congratulations.

I probably have over 10 empty 8 pound containers of 8208 laying around. I've been very happy with it for both the M1A and AR rifle systems. 40.5 grains for 168 class projectiles shoots well in a few M1As I tried the load in.

One of the rifle builders on this forum uses the same powder for his accuracy loads when testing rifles he builds.

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8208 is good stuff. If you can find it it's worth stocking up on.

I've had okay luck with varget in the m1a, I find 41.5 in mil brass is good for 168s and 175s. That roughly translates to 43 or so in winchester brass.

The powder my m1a really likes is RL15, it is swedish powder also sold as Norma 203B. Good stuff for AR and M1A especially heavy loads.

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Accuracy was the same. After I got used to the sweet shooting with the 8208 the recoil of the varget was unpleasant. So I probably flinched with this load. At this time I was mainly interested in breaking in the barrel and chronographing loads to give me an idea of my reloading parameters. Next time, I am going in depth into accuracy. I forgot my NRA high power rifle 200 yards targets at home and I had a hard time seeing the red small bull at 100 yards but I did shoot a solid "x" with iron sights and some 9 and 10s after I got it on the paper. Funny, but I also had some .22 holes from the guy shooting an AR next to me but he did not get anywhere near the bull. Those holes were in the bottom of the target. I knew I could not shoot that badly.

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The problem, finding it . 8208 is good stuff

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Just a thought but when I first got my "new to me" loaded model it barfed on any varget load over 42 grains, same for 4064 and 748 because the recoil spring 1 1/2" too short. New USGI one and it is like night and day.

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Good thought on the GI spring. I will do that! Thanks!

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