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Old April 20th, 2013, 08:15 AM   #1
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Lake City Cartridge, Caliber .30, M2, Ball

I just came into possession of several thousand rounds of Cartridge, Caliber .30, M2, Ball made at Lake City. The ammunition was purchased from the CMP about ten (10) years ago. It is in 20 round boxes and I believe it was made in the late 1960's (I have not open a box to see when it was made). In the back of my mind I have this vague memory of reading something about this ammunition. That it was not "REAL" M2 ammunition. Meaning that it was not loaded to M2 specifications. I find it hard to believe (or maybe I shouldn't) that the government would say it is M2 ammnition when it really isn't up to specifications. Anyone have the straight story on this stuff?

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Old April 20th, 2013, 08:38 AM   #2
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In my experience LC 69 is a little underpowered, at least as compared to the HXP, but shoots just fine. Not the most accurate, but it functions my M1s OK.

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Old April 20th, 2013, 08:51 AM   #3
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I just came into possession of several thousand rounds of Cartridge, Caliber .30, M2, Ball made at Lake City. The ammunition was purchased from the CMP about ten (10) years ago. It is in 20 round boxes and I believe it was made in the late 1960's (I have not open a box to see when it was made). In the back of my mind I have this vague memory of reading something about this ammunition. That it was not "REAL" M2 ammunition. Meaning that it was not loaded to M2 specifications. I find it hard to believe (or maybe I shouldn't) that the government would say it is M2 ammnition when it really isn't up to specifications. Anyone have the straight story on this stuff
You would have to provide a picture of the ammo boxes and what is written on them. Military ammunition is marked and packaged following specific rules.

Now, it is possible that late 60's ammunition did not have to be compatible with M1 Garands as the only weapons in the field to shoot the stuff would have been M1919's, but someone would have to show documentation proving that the ammunition performance requirements were waivered.

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Old April 20th, 2013, 09:02 AM   #4
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I just came into possession of several thousand rounds of Cartridge, Caliber .30, M2, Ball made at Lake City. The ammunition was purchased from the CMP about ten (10) years ago. It is in 20 round boxes and I believe it was made in the late 1960's (I have not open a box to see when it was made). In the back of my mind I have this vague memory of reading something about this ammunition. That it was not "REAL" M2 ammunition. Meaning that it was not loaded to M2 specifications. I find it hard to believe (or maybe I shouldn't) that the government would say it is M2 ammnition when it really isn't up to specifications. Anyone have the straight story on this stuff?
If the rounds are packaged in boxes marked CMP then they are good to go.

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Old April 20th, 2013, 09:09 AM   #5
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Boxes are marked:

20 CARTRIDGES
CALIBER .30
BALL M2

LOT LC 42190

LAKE CITY ARMY AMMUNITION PLANT

Packed 400 rounds in a ".50 Cal can" marked:

400 CAL.30 CARTRIDGES
BALL M2
IN CARTONS
LOT LC 42190

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Open a box up and check the headstamp for date. The story about LC72 ammo generating high port pressure in the M1 Garand is probably the story you are thinking about. There were complaints about it, so the CMP sent a batch to HP White Labs for testing. It was found to be OK for use in the M1 Garand, see attached report at the below link. If what you have is LC69 I believe that is remanufactured ammunition by Talon and is OK for plinking, let us know what the headstamp is.


http://www.odcmp.co/Services/Rifles/...re_testing.htm

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Old April 20th, 2013, 09:25 AM   #7
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You would have to provide a picture of the ammo boxes and what is written on them. Military ammunition is marked and packaged following specific rules.

Now, it is possible that late 60's ammunition did not have to be compatible with M1 Garands as the only weapons in the field to shoot the stuff would have been M1919's, but someone would have to show documentation proving that the ammunition performance requirements were waivered.
I assume you are excluding the thousands of M1 rifles that remained in use by National Guard units well into the 1970's?

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I dont have the documentation and i am sure someone at CMP or forums does.
If i am not mistaken that ammo is M2 ball. It was all delinked belted ammo for the M1919,s. I could be wrong. Check the body of the cartridge case to see if there is a slight discoloration from the belts. Ammo was tested and found to be fine for use in M1 Garands. Millions of rounds went downrange in Garands. Please check as anything is possible.

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The DCM ammo (.30-06) dated 1969 that our club received was loaded with stick powder (4895) and was somewhat disapointing accuracy wise. This ammo was packed in 8 rd garand clips in .30 cal cans, 4 cans to a crate. It was safe to fire in any M-1. A couple years later our team received LC .30-06 dated 72. This ammo was loaded with ball powder and was de-linked machine gun ammo...and almost match accurate. But it was hot and the rod on my M-1 would really fly back with some authority..making me wounder if the port pressure was too high. This ammo was packed in 8 rd clips and in .30 cal cans. We later received similar ammo, but dated LC 74...also hot and somewhat accurate for ball ammo when used in a match tuned Garand on the reduced course.

All the ammo that came in the original 20 rd. LC cardboard boxes (as opposed to being packed in Garand clips), were supposed to be fine for the M-1. I think you are good to go. If you are worried, examine the brass carefully. De-linked machine gun ammo will show marks where the links once held the rounds in the belt. No link stains or marks on the body of the brass means the ammo was definately made for the M-1.

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I vaguely recall that the LC69 got built under a relaxed accuracy spec. Something about how it got packaged in the end. I do know that the LC66 I have shoots a little better.

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 03:15 AM   #11
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It is fine for your Garand, since everyone says its terrible ammo I would be glad to take it off your hands

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