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So that is why we can't find .22 ammo

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Old April 5th, 2013, 07:12 PM   #16
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This whole thing with ammo is not only at this point stupid, it's getting to where it's going to harm the shooting community long term. There has to be a market saturation point for any commercial product and what happens when that's been reached? Will .22LR for instance be like gasoline after Katrina and remain at more than double the legitimate, or in other works the sensible, price? Will whole factories go under when sales plummet due to oversupply combined with overpricing? Hopefully some stability will start to appear soon.
I don't think so. For one reason: ammo is not a necessary daily consumable. Yeah lots of people like to shoot, but very few need to. Ammo is, for the average consumer, a luxury item. Gasoline is a necessity. If ammo prices stay high, people will shoot less. The manufactures will compete for that business and prices will go down to a point where they level off. But if I want to continue to get to work to earn money, I NEED gas. So until the cost of gas out-weighs the benefits of having a job that requires me to travel by automobile to get to it, by costing some much that I could work closer to home for less and still keep more, they can keep raising prices. We will pay what they charge.

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Old April 5th, 2013, 07:46 PM   #17
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Time for the pellet guns...

Broke out the Beeman R7 the other day... cheap to shoot and man is that rifle accurate. But still...

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Old April 5th, 2013, 08:14 PM   #18
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The squirrels in my yard are praying for cheaper ammo prices as the pellet gun is all I will shoot in my neighborhood and it is about all I can afford to shoot with any regularity.

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Old April 6th, 2013, 03:11 AM   #19
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I don't think so. For one reason: ammo is not a necessary daily consumable. Yeah lots of people like to shoot, but very few need to. Ammo is, for the average consumer, a luxury item. Gasoline is a necessity. If ammo prices stay high, people will shoot less. The manufactures will compete for that business and prices will go down to a point where they level off. But if I want to continue to get to work to earn money, I NEED gas. So until the cost of gas out-weighs the benefits of having a job that requires me to travel by automobile to get to it, by costing some much that I could work closer to home for less and still keep more, they can keep raising prices. We will pay what they charge.
My long term concern re ammo is that in the end we'll end up with one or two manufacturers of .22LR, which nobody can reload. That would mean they could be fat and lazy and fix prices and quality wherever they wanted them, which is NOT capitalism. And you are correct- .22 is not a daily necessity. It's the shooting community doing it to ourselves, if that's how it goes.

[And, gas went nuts post-Katrina when the refiners realized people would pay virtually anything for it. Which did crash the economy but that's a whole other story. ]

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Seeing as the PX can't/won't price gouge, the difference between there and the local gun shop is ridiculous.
If it's possible for you to do so...I would be very interested to see follow-ups on the PX Ammo Prices on .22's...

What they just got in clearly was ordered at an earlier date...

Will they increase the price for the next shipment they get, and the next and the next?

Or Not...because they don't have to/need to?

If you are able to track that, it might be interesting...

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If it's possible for you to do so...I would be very interested to see follow-ups on the PX Ammo Prices on .22's...

What they just got in clearly was ordered at an earlier date...

Will they increase the price for the next shipment they get, and the next and the next?

Or Not...because they don't have to/need to?

If you are able to track that, it might be interesting...

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They pay what the distributors charge them plus a set percentage. They are just like walmart, and won't price gouge.

Funniest thing I've seen was how there was no 223 or 308 at the PX (ARMY) for months, but there was a decent amount at the BX (Air Force) about 40 miles away.

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Old April 6th, 2013, 06:32 AM   #22
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My long term concern re ammo is that in the end we'll end up with one or two manufacturers of .22LR, which nobody can reload. That would mean they could be fat and lazy and fix prices and quality wherever they wanted them, which is NOT capitalism. And you are correct- .22 is not a daily necessity. It's the shooting community doing it to ourselves, if that's how it goes.

[And, gas went nuts post-Katrina when the refiners realized people would pay virtually anything for it. Which did crash the economy but that's a whole other story. ]
I see what you're saying, but when there's space in the market for competition, competition emerges. If there's two companies making .22 and charging whatever they want, someone else will figure they can make some money.

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They pay what the distributors charge them plus a set percentage. They are just like walmart, and won't price gouge.
Uh-huh...
You didn't think I understood that?

What I would like to see is akin to a 'baseline'...to see just how much Costs to the Seller are Actually going up...being able to use the 'PX' system as a 'Control' might be interesting...

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Old April 6th, 2013, 07:28 AM   #24
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I see what you're saying, but when there's space in the market for competition, competition emerges. If there's two companies making .22 and charging whatever they want, someone else will figure they can make some money.
That seems to involve a huge investment in equipment and if the market is distorted or wrecked, it would be a pretty bold move. I'm not saying it wouldn't happen, just that it might be decades- supposing the demand didn't go away as people turned to other calibres or hobbies or whatever.

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Old April 21st, 2013, 05:31 AM   #25
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I think we should all pool our money together and start a manufacturing plant just for 22 rimfire its a win win !! If I had money to invest, this is a no brainer!! where else in this world could you probably 10 fold your investment in a matter of months, maybe a short couple yrs? and give the big companies some competition and help our causes of shortages, someone out there, guaranteed is working on this very thing right now, id be willing to bet.

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Old April 21st, 2013, 10:13 AM   #26
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If the 2nd Amendment Revolution was declared I hope all those who are active and not just internet generals have enough ammo.

My view is this, its not the time to whine about recreational shooting.

I just bought a box of 7mm magnum yesterday, plenty of that plus reloading dies.

Buy and hoard for the day you may need it to fight for our country.
Out of the hundred or so bricks of .22lr in my store room I think maybe U have fired less than 100 rounds in the last ten years.
And that ammo will probably sit in that room for another 20 years maybe or until the day its needed. Was not bought for barter, was bought for its particular advantage.

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Old April 21st, 2013, 10:29 AM   #27
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I hope all the folks who bought ammo for platforms they don't even own or will shoot, loose their butt when their bills come due.

Buying like this does nothing but hurt other shooters and drive up the prices to nonsensical levels. In the end it will hurt the very industry we are trying to protect.

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Its angering to see some of the jerks who buy it all up reselling it online too....burns my ass.

And for the rest of the hoarders, 1,000,000 rounds of 9mm, 556 and 762 is a poor substitute for lack of physical fitness and training... *frown face*

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Old April 21st, 2013, 12:30 PM   #28
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I have been following this for years and I notice this:
The manufacturers that are already "in the business" have to my knowledge ALL decided NOT to build new factories and instead have just added new shifts. This gives me a big hint as they have to put their money where their mount is and IF they thought high demand would warrant it they WOULD be building new factories, etc, and NOT just be running extended shifts.
The feeling I have long heard expressed inside the individual supplier industries is that they are all afraid that while product is selling well now a market glut with at some point develop and they don't want to have idle factories/equipment to deal with when that happens.
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I keep getting email updates from various sources claiming that the 22 LR shortage is just plain supply-and-demand based stuff based on a market with limited production capacity.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 01:15 PM   #29
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I griped about this earlier in the year when people were selling P Mags for 50 to 60 bucks a pop and that's for the non windowed models, I was then told by another guy on this form that I wasn't thinking about their circumstances and that I was unchristian. To that I just just my mount because I knew that sooner or later people would realize that people were price gouging because they are Greedy SOB's and its not because their family is hurting or that they are out of a job. I'm sure they are hurting now because some people have wised up and realized they were getting taken out behind the wood shed. I knew this was going to happen and I tried to warn people but now its too late and we have to wait it out. I have worked at gun stores as side jobs for fun money, and saw it happen when our failure of a president was elected both times and both times its the same thing, a rush on ammo and black guns. Oh well I guess I should be a gun forecaster because I was right on the money this time.

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I don't think so. For one reason: ammo is not a necessary daily consumable. Yeah lots of people like to shoot, but very few need to. Ammo is, for the average consumer, a luxury item. Gasoline is a necessity. If ammo prices stay high, people will shoot less. The manufactures will compete for that business and prices will go down to a point where they level off. But if I want to continue to get to work to earn money, I NEED gas. So until the cost of gas out-weighs the benefits of having a job that requires me to travel by automobile to get to it, by costing some much that I could work closer to home for less and still keep more, they can keep raising prices. We will pay what they charge.
people think they need that ammo as much as you think you need gas.

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