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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:13 PM   #1
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German DAG .308 Ammo question?

I've got quite a few of the green packs of DAG ammo, I opened one and had no corrosion on any of the rounds. They looked good.

All packs were purchased within the same year, should I open all of the packs and get the rounds out of the cardboard boxes and just store them loose in ammo cans?

I've read that it's the cardboard that could be causing the corrosion.

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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:20 PM   #2
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What is the headstamp year on your DAG ammo?

The problems with corroded cases seems to be some of the newer made DAG ammo.

All of the stuff I have seen from around 1967, either DAG 67 or MS67 has been perfect. Some of the best 7.62mm ammo I have ever shot...

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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:27 PM   #3
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I thought it was the acid in the cardboard on mine, when combined with condensation, because I found the discolouring was in the boxes on the sides of the packs and in turn it seemed likely those boxes had been on the cold side of the vinyl in whatever storage they were kept in. My discolouration/ corrosion polished right off with 000 steel wool. But short answer, if I was going to be storing the ammo for years and years I'd take it out of the packs, yes. Worth it for the peace of mind if nothing else.

This stuff took a big jump in price and that was 6 months before the big scare started, anyway I stopped buying it for that reason, and now wish I'd bought lots more- but don't we all.


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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #4
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My ammo reads:
AB22
DM111
DAG93G0361

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Old March 8th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #5
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I would do some research, as I think your DAG ammo falls in the realm of some that has showed corrosion.

Considering how hard it is, and how much it now costs to get good 308 ammo I think
I would get enough US Military 50 cal ammo cans to store all of your ammo, and open up all of your Plastic packs. I would not want to store them loose, I would probably gpo to Midway or somewhere and get the 50 round plastic boxes.

And it pains me to recommend this, as the German and Portaguese 200 round rubber Battle Packs is a great way to store ammo.

But I think the newer DAG "stuff" needs to be checked...

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Old March 9th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #6
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The research is right in front of you:
Pictures of Corrosion. inside MEN94 cases.

DAG (and MEN) with a 94 headstamp seems the be the worst. 93 also has some issues. Good shooting ammo but MUST be inspected before shooting and/or storing. That stuff is getting close to 20 years old and the corrosion does not get better with time. Does not matter if it's in a plastic battlepack or not.

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Old March 9th, 2013, 01:51 AM   #7
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Is it just me, or is the DAG I shot seem to be a bit...hotter...than normal NATO ball.

I have noticed most German ammo is a bit "stiff?" for lack of a better word.

I shot some in my lady friend's BLR and it was pretty hard to extract.

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Old March 9th, 2013, 07:11 AM   #8
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I guess my question is answered, if I'm going to inspect it all, then it's going to have to come out of the cardboard and put in ammo cans.

I guess I need alot of plastic containers. Or just keep it loose in the cans.

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Old March 9th, 2013, 08:34 PM   #9
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Y'all reminded me that I have a pack or two of the DAG in the closet. Just checked it, looks to be 93 vintage. Opened up one box and it looks pristine but I guess I'll repack and inspect it all to be safe.

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Old March 9th, 2013, 10:12 PM   #10
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I have about 2k of 90's dags, I randomly checked some of them when i bought it 2 years ago, they were super clean but I recently checked out last week & some of them start to have some corrosion, so I took out all of them from the boxes & stored them on 50 cal cans. So you decide what you want to do on yours.

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Old March 10th, 2013, 08:39 AM   #11
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I loved that ammo when I could get it. I have gone through about 3000 rounds of 92, 93, and 94 production ammo and I have only found one battle pack that had a little corrosion. I think its hit or miss with this ammo. If what you have seen looks good the rest is probably good too.
Also, I chrono'd some of this ammo and it was about 100 FPS faster than LC M80. It did feel like it hit harder but MV says only a little bit hotter.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 09:07 AM   #12
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So far I have checked 3 battle packs and have found 20 or so that are not perfect. There being put aside for further inspection.

Funny thing is it doesn't look like corrosion to me, looks more like scrapes on the case that took place during manufacturing. The scrapes exposed the bare mettle of the case.

(I must add, I haven't found one round that if I were in a pinch, I wouldn't fire today, if I had to.)

I have more battle packs to check though, i'm opening all of them, checking them and storing them in plastic ammo boxes of 50.

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Probably a good plan. Back in the 80's I bought two cases of South American surplus (Argentine?) packed in cardboard boxes like the DAG, but each box was sealed in a heavy plastic bag that had some kind of powder in it (desiccant I'd guess). I opened a couple and it looked fine at the time. I opened some more in the mid-90's during Klinton's heyday and found that about 25% was so corroded I was afraid to fire it. I cleaned up some more so I didn't have to put that nasty stuff in my gun but with the worst of it all I could salvage was the bullets.

BTW, I've never actually fired any DAG. Berdan primed?

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I think DAG is good to go. I've heard MEN headstamped ammo can be at risk.

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Probably a good plan. Back in the 80's I bought two cases of South American surplus (Argentine?) packed in cardboard boxes like the DAG, but each box was sealed in a heavy plastic bag that had some kind of powder in it (desiccant I'd guess). I opened a couple and it looked fine at the time. I opened some more in the mid-90's during Klinton's heyday and found that about 25% was so corroded I was afraid to fire it. I cleaned up some more so I didn't have to put that nasty stuff in my gun but with the worst of it all I could salvage was the bullets.

BTW, I've never actually fired any DAG. Berdan primed?
Yep, Berdan. A shame because it looks like good brass.

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