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Old February 15th, 2013, 09:00 AM   #31
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ammo prices are down... you can't count the idiots on gun broker, and small businesses gouging online.

once everyone realizes there won't be a ban, then their wives will make them quit preparing for war.

At that point the big suppliers will have ammo in stock, and then the little guys will have to compete.

im also "full of it"

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Old February 15th, 2013, 09:19 AM   #32
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I know its a pipe dream but a major push back from the buyers is the only way to get it back down to reasonable prices. Problem is, most shooters I know are hoarders. If we could somehow unite the shooters in an effort to not buy for a certain time frame, like 6 months. Stock levels would return, prices would be forced down. Again, a pipe dream.

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Old February 15th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #33
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Did hear someone in Texas say "SECEDE"! If they do, I'm moving back with my hoard of ammo. Is Brownwood in a blast-zone?

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Old February 15th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #34
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NO they won't.

Yes it's true a lot of the resources for making ammo was going to the GWOT, BUT.....


The bigger factor is the EPA making copper and lead and Zinc harder
to mine and keep in stock because the EPA has forced most of the mines we had to shut down due to.................

Copper mine trailings being a pollutant and "the Devil".

Lead in any form being a pollutant and well...."the Devil".

Zinc mixed with copper to make brass is a poisonous pollutant and therefore......"the devil".

So in honor of EPA ruining the sources of metals commonly used in manufacturing all types of stuff not just ammunition.......................

To you the consumer the "Do Gooder,control freaks" in Washington DC say.....

Yeah, I totally disagree. Come out to the mines in the west. They're churning out metals of all sorts.

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Old February 15th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #35
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CURRENT SALES OF AMMO AT TEXAS GUN SHOWS ARE AS FOLLOWS:

.22LR Stingers - $15.00 box of 50 - Small amounts available

.22LR Bulk Pack 500 - $60.00 plus per brick - Small amounts available

.22Magnum - $20.00 box of 50 - Small amounts available

.32 Auto - No ammo

.380 Auto - No ammo

9mm - FMJ - .60 cents a round - Very limited

9mm - JHP - $1.25 a round - Very Limited

38 Special - JHP - .80 cents a round - Almost none around

.357 Magnum - JHP - $1.00 a round -Very Very Limited

41 Magnum - No ammo

44 Magnum JHP//JSP - $1.25 a round - Almost none

45 ACP FMJ - .75 cents a round - Very limited

45ACP JHP/JSP - $1.25 a round - Very Limited

.223 FMJ - $1.00 a round (Brass Case and Boxer Primed) - Almost none available

7.62x39 FMJ - $1.00 a round (Brass Case and Boxer Primed) - Very limited

7.62x51 FMJ Nato - $1.00 a round and sold out

.308 Hunting Type Ammo - JHP/JSP - $1.75 and up a round - Still available
Nobody here knows what ammo prices will do and certainly not the relatively new members with a thousand posts.

With every "mass murder" shooting we know for a fact we will see Obama posturing along with the Feinsteins of our liberal elected officials, doing their diabolical best to restrict possession, simultaneously we will see those who see the handwriting on the wall and the signs of the times upping the ante if you will and continuing to purchase munitions regardless of price, trusting brass and lead to hold their value over a deflating dollar.

How much is enough? Reminds me of a man asked by his friend how many guns he needed, his answer was "I have enough, now I'm buying for my children who right now can't afford new guns/ammo, and I'm buying for my grandchildren who will not be able to purchase when they are of age due to totalitarian gun laws"

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Old February 15th, 2013, 05:30 PM   #36
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What many forget is that some of the lowest ammo prices occurred during the last AWB. AIM had Port for $139/delivered Wolf x39 was ~$0.07/round and Wolf/SK .22LR was ~$18/brick.

I'm sure it will drop when this panic buying slows up, but we will never see those prices again. The glut of surplus x51 is over as is the x39. Not gone, but no longer ships full of the stuff coming in.

The Wolf MT was a bit under priced for the demand. When I got mine, a boatload (literally) had come in. Customs (?) held it up at the dock for nearly 3 months. The people I was ordering from suggested I double my order if I could since most of their initial shipment of 1,000,000 rnds were already sold. I did as they suggested and they were sold out in 3 days. No one had any within a week or so. This was 10+ years ago and it was mainly target shooters that snapped it all up buying cases.

The Wolf was simply really good .22 ammo that was seriously undervalued. That seemed to get corrected PDQ. lol Now, IMO it's overpriced for what it is. That is, before the panic.

The .22LR will recover first if given a chance. The lines aren't used for anything else like CF calibers and a CCI rep said they could pop out ~100k/day going good. I also think these stupid high prices will slow things up enough that they can catch a breath and get caught up some in a few months.

I think (hope) the biggest factor will be is when the bills start coming due for these large amounts of $0.75-$1/round ammo that got snapped up. What will be interesting is if they go to sell for what they paid.

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Old February 15th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #37
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People also said housing prices would NEVER go down.

FWIW

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Old February 16th, 2013, 09:27 AM   #38
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Guess I should go to the pharmacy and check to see if they are jacking the prices up on saltpeter and sulfur, lol. Going to stock up on flint too.

I went in looking and decided to make a 8:00 am ritual of visiting the sporting goods chain. Was allowed to buy a box of Federal M193 ball for $7.99, I don't even own an AR. Still no .22 anything. Nothing that shoots well in my M1A. One big russian tin that made an AK owner happy.

It's very strange to see I can buy .357 sig for less than 9mm from the online vendors.

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Old February 16th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #39
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Federal Gold 168gr 308 starting prices on Gunbroker isn't bad ($209.00 delivered per 200rds). But everything is being bidded up to high prices. I don't think ammo will be much cheaper. Honest retailers have fair prices. But they can't keep it in stock. It is the secondary market thats crazy. Just what people will pay when it is in short supply.

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Old February 16th, 2013, 10:02 AM   #40
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Federal Gold 168gr 308 starting prices on Gunbroker isn't bad ($209.00 delivered per 200rds). But everything is being bidded up to high prices. I don't think ammo will be much cheaper. Honest retailers have fair prices. But they can't keep it in stock. It is the secondary market thats crazy. Just what people will pay when it is in short supply.
Besides the 1000s of reloads I have, I buy the Atomic .308 Nosler 168 reloads from the CMP for $175. Also, stock up on the 30-06 Greek surplus. $98 for 200 rounds.

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Old February 16th, 2013, 10:13 AM   #41
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Was allowed to buy a box of Federal M193 ball for $7.99, I don't even own an AR.
Yep that explains why...

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Old February 16th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #42
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A small devilish part of me kinda hopes the demand gets so great of panicky buyers I may just start up a short time business selling my decade plus hoardings and custom reloads.

I could just about buy a new house if I sold off everything, and thats just the ammo.

But I believe we are already over the hump and the ammo will come flooding into the stores. The factories are running non stop, regardless of the rumors of what the feds are buying I have seen reports that the ammo suppliers are NOT diverting sales from the civilian market. It will stabilize soon enough when most ammo hunters get a modest supply, of which they will most likely keep on the shelf and not rush out to shoot off at the firing range.

We may more than likely see an even greater glut of ammo back on the shelves.

Most panic is politically fueled for activism by both sides of the fence. One side wants ammo sales restricted or halted, the other side encourages ammo buying for reasons that not need any explanation. So if anything all I hear from the media both on the tube and the net is the limited supplies, but its only in certain geographic areas.

In Alaska we have ample supplies of ammo and no restrictions.

All in all the nation needs to be armed so as to have the tools to use should they be required to exercise the 2A requirements. Again all I can say is buy as much as you can, some will not get their "share" but then if they waited this long to get into the game they probably have no clue of which end of the bat to swing as well.

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Old February 16th, 2013, 10:27 AM   #43
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I would think if the demand was guaranteed to stay this high, manufacturers would move to increase their production facilities. Right now i think they are sitting back and waiting before putting a substantive investment into new equipment and personnel.

But if the prices don't stabilize, the effect in the industry and sport are going to ripple down causing a major blow. When the supply of ammo isn't assured, no one is going to commit to events that require a few hundred rounds. Who will want to buy anything new knowing they can't use it beyond a test stage?

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Old February 16th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #44
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If the taxpayers (GOVT Agencies) weren't buying billions of rounds of ammo it would help. As ammo mfg's ramp up to meet the gov't contracts, they don't produce the popular "non-USGI" calibers of ammo such a 243, 30:06, 30:30 and such. The less popular calibers such as 22-250, 6.5 Swede, 7 mm Rem mag and the various 300 Mag clones get pushed further back and the obscure calibers 6 mm, 257 Roberts, 300 H&H, 35 Whelen never get made until way down the road. Prices will come down when billions of rounds are made and demand hysteria slows. Took about a year last time - could be a lot longer this time. I see the lack of 22 lr being a serious problem as there are limited options available for families to go shooting without a cheap source of ammo and this hurts efforts to keep the kids involved.

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The local ammo manufacturer here also had an order from Isreal for either 8 million rounds of 308 or 8 million dollers worth, forgot which.

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