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Old September 25th, 2005, 01:20 PM   #1
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New York Magazine Law and FIve and Ten Round Mags

Moving to New York in two month. Their magazine law appears to prohibit hi capacity i.e. twenty round magazines with ten appearing the max. The grandfather clause is if the magazine was made prior to Sept 16th !994. Since my KTM and BRW S-1 ,mags from my knowledge were made prior to this as were any USGI except for Checkmate, how do you prove this except for reference books. Also since it seems that I'll use 5round or 10round mags, any recommendations. AtCheaprer Than Dirt they have OEM implieded they are made for SA Inc for $9.97 in both five and ten rounds as opposed to SA Inc for $34'95. Any experience with the cheaper than dirt mags or any recommendations for another supplier.

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Old September 25th, 2005, 03:52 PM   #2
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Magazines made after the ban date had to be so marked with date of manufacture.

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Old September 25th, 2005, 11:27 PM   #3
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My question for the "ban" states is how do they know which mags are "pre-ban" now that 45 states have no restriction on standard cap mags and no markings? I know Kali say you have to have a receipt showing purchase before '00. Does NY as well?

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Old September 26th, 2005, 02:05 AM   #4
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I have lived in Kalifornia all my life.

I had standard capacity mags many years before the ban.

How can a reasonable person expect me to have a receipt for an item that was bought perfectly legally 20 years ago? This being about 10 years prior to the ban even being dreamed of.

They may say that they want a reciept. Fine. It's O.K. to want things.

I want to win the Lotto.

The receipt thing won't hold up in court.

If you look in your garage or attic or basement, you are likely to find an item that you entirely forgot that you had from years ago.
Do you have a reciept for it? No...and neither does anyone else.

As long as it was manufactured prior to the ban, I believe the burden of proof is on the Gestapo, er, uhm, I mean the authorities.

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Old September 26th, 2005, 11:55 AM   #5
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Lot In Common With Kalf And NY

First look at any pictures of the antigun crowd, politicians from both states make up the group, who if unable to get Federal change make sure their state laws are stricter than the Feds. NYS wants in regards to "assault rifles" that they be manufactured before Sept 1994 with a receipt of purchase or as I was told by DIfferent a letter from BATF that your particular rifle was made before this date. Called BATF this am and was transfered to four different sections regarding if they can reply to my letter and where to send it. Said they would get back and I am still waiting. As I said to the first BATF "the IRS doesn't even require records to be keep more than seven years" which he agreeded.It seems that these gun laws that want proof of possession or import before 9/94 but a burden on gun owners no other civil or government agency does and it is done retroactive not allowing us to atticipate eleven years in the future that we need documentation. Can you imagine voting laws being written in such language and if felons were really on a list of being unable to vote.

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Old September 26th, 2005, 06:57 PM   #6
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The NY thing is B.S..

It is a major hassle to comply with the whole gun serial number thing, but, it is possible to trace guns through serial numbers.

Magazines are a whole 'nuther deal.

It's like making someone produce a receipt for the all the individual UNSERIALIZED tools in the roll-away that were bought separately over the last 30 years.

Of course, one technique of the left is to intimidate people into fearing having to face the very real possibility of a court defense. One which they would make as long and costly as possible.

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Old September 26th, 2005, 10:07 PM   #7
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Hey there bluedsteelnwood, I wouldn't worry about the mags,,it dosen't matter when you bought them,if they are GI or Type 57 they were all made before the bullsh#t law went into effect. Maybe you mite run into someone that mite question you about it but I doubt it,,depending on where you are in the State I would use 5 and 10rd mags for range work,,and use the 20rd mags when ya feel like Blazeing away !!!! I live in Upstate Ny myself and its pretty laid back around here,,more than enough rednecks to go around,(Ha,HA) myself included !! I'm not saying or condoneing breaking any laws,,but I don't think you will be,,if the mag is not stamped LEO or New Manufacure I'm sure you will be fine. I have lots of Cop buddies,I'll check with them and see what they say or even think about it ! Hmmmmmm,the last time I saw a BATF Agent was,,,,,,,,,,,uhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,,NEVER !!!!

Anyways I'm around Syracuse NY,,where are you moveing to ?

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Old September 27th, 2005, 07:18 PM   #8
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What do you specifically want to know?

Mags made before Sept. '94 are not marked by any manufacturer. These Mags are legal to own by everyone. Mags made during the Federal Statute are Marked by all Makers over ten rounds. These Marked mags, can only be possessed by LEO's in NYS. All Mags made through the Ban expiration are included in this.

Now with the termination of the Federal Statute, and the fact that most Manufacturers have changed their tooling to not include any extra LE Only stampings on the Magazines; You probably can pick up High Capacity Magazines at Gun shows out of state. You can't purchase them from a gunstore in NYS, because the Federal Statute was adopted by the NY State Legislature and made into Law. In New York, High Cap Mags of "NEW" Manufacture sold to LE Only. If you get unmarked New Manufactured Mags from another source, I don't know how you'd tell the old from the new.

All said, if you have Marked Mags, Get rid of them in NY. If you have Un-Marked Mags, as long as you can show that the Mag wasn't made during or after the ban, ie No Date Stampings or LE Only, enjoy them.
Remember, Currently in NY, Only NEW Manufactured Mags; 1994 to present, LEO's only if buying in a Gunstore.

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Old November 1st, 2005, 06:24 PM   #9
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Why in the name of God's green earth would you want to come to NY?????
I've lived here all my life and would get out if I could,,, NY is ANTI gun,, right behind Kalifornia. In fact,, gun ownership here is a privilage,,, NOT a Right,,, there is NO right to bear arms provision in the NYS Constitution!
Plus,, there is a new assault weapon ban that has cleared the assembly and is headed for the senate,,, when, I don't know,, but it's there.

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Old November 1st, 2005, 08:00 PM   #10
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I was thinkin the same thing, Why come to this crap hole state. We're overtaxed and are forced to see and hear that thing named Hillary pump all kinds of wind up our shorts about how great she are. Definitely not a state that believes in gun rights and then you got the counties that can get into the act with pistol permits.

You don't need a letter on your guns. If they are preban the serial # will prove it, keep your marked LE mags out though, your just asking for grief.
I shoot at a public outdoor range and DEC and sheriffs are there all the time and do check occasionally but no harassment whatsoever. The eyes are about at the gun shows though, that's evident with a couple of arrests at 2 local shows in the past few months. LE marked stuff and AOW will get the attention drawn your way.

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Old November 2nd, 2005, 07:41 AM   #11
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Sometimes we must do things we don't like, like move to a place where you can save enough money to send your children to a GOOD collage. It's called a sacrifice. Give up something you love so others(your children/grandchildren) may have a easier life than you did. Sad thing is, most of the blue states have very well paying jobs. I know in my lifetime I have never been able to have my cake & eat it too. I could have if I cared more about my life's pleasures than I did about my loved ones. I've worked in N.Y. City when I was in the Iron workers union. The pay-scale up there compared to northeastern MD. was about 3 times more for the exact same work. The laborers there made twice what I made back home as a journeyman. Their rent for a apartment was twice my mortgage though. Most of the guys lived in N. New Jersey.

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Old November 3rd, 2005, 05:16 PM   #12
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I know what you mean,, as I type, I'm sitting in a motel room in Lebanon NH eating dinner in my room. There just isn't any work that pays, at home.
If I could, I would move out here,, I have plenty of work,, pay is good,, and New Hampshire is very gun friendly,, class three state, no sales tax and no income tax,, Only problem is the land costs a fortune and the land taxes are high. As it stands,, home is NY and work is ???? We have a nice home in the mountains,,, wife has a good job, and my daughter loves to go to school,, its worth it.
I have my M1A and any bloody mag I want
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Old November 7th, 2005, 06:57 AM   #13
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Burden of Proof is on the state.

The District attorney's office will have to prove that your magazines are illegal. You do not have to prove that they are legal. If they are marked with a date or a Law Enforcement use only they have a pretty easy burden to meet.

(background is 10 years NYS LEO)

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Old November 8th, 2005, 08:28 AM   #14
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Moving to NYS

I currently live in Florida which one of the reasons I choose was for the gun laws and right to carry, even without a CCW you can have a loaded pistol in your glove comparment. I am moving back to NY after two years as even as a health professional I can only make about a third of what I can make in N.Y., thank God I keep my N.Y. liscence.I also found I can not take the heat and feel better in colder weather. Florida housing use to be a bargin but now it has gone sky high where I live, enough for me to buy a better house in NY. In addition after three hurricanes in the last 13 months I've had enough of living without electric and phone for one to two weeks at a time. I also have an adult son who is autistic and who I miss very much and I can provide and oversee his care better than his mother who I am divorced from and who is not in the field. Also despite the sterotype of NYC upstate NY is quite a different place. Like the previous fellow said you have to make compromises where ever you live. After I retire I am definitely looking to move to Vermont unless the liberals have changed the gun laws.

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Moving to New York in two month. Their magazine law appears to prohibit hi capacity i.e. twenty round magazines with ten appearing the max. The grandfather clause is if the magazine was made prior to Sept 16th !994. Since my KTM and BRW S-1 ,mags from my knowledge were made prior to this as were any USGI except for Checkmate, how do you prove this except for reference books. Also since it seems that I'll use 5round or 10round mags, any recommendations. AtCheaprer Than Dirt they have OEM implieded they are made for SA Inc for $9.97 in both five and ten rounds as opposed to SA Inc for $34'95. Any experience with the cheaper than dirt mags or any recommendations for another supplier.

I think I would get some 10 rnders for general use, save and hang on to the 20 rnders until your able to confirm how the NY locals deal with the issue. As you point out most of these were made back in the 60's & 70's it may not be an issue.

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