I bought those 500 primed LC cases they had listed a few weeks back. Those of you who bought them know that 10-15% of them were no good, damaged,etc. 6 emails and 2 promises for replacements (60 cases in my case) and nothing. "We shipped replacements on 11/21". Nothing.
I've bought stuff from them before, but this is the first time I've gotten a bit of the run around. Any of you get replacement brass on your orders?
I bought 2k "once fired" cases from another company. I'd say during the decapping/resizing process around 5% to 10% of the case mouth openings broke off or split. My next purchase was going to be from Wideners.
I buy reconditioned brass from another company on a regular basis and have had under 1% of it as even questionable. Always clean and resized correctly. I sort by mfg. headstamp and reload in batches to maintain additional quality control. I have some LC over 10 reloads and going strong with respect to web, primer pocket and internal neck. Weidner's has often been a hit and miss for me in the past which is why my business has gone elsewhere.
I have had nothing but good experiences with Wiendenrs, I bet it will come, just a bit delayed. I'm sure with "black friday" and the current fiscal cliff/middle east/re-electioin/mayan calandar/my grandpa had a nice BM
they are really dealing with some crazy volume and I'm sure will make it right! give em time (gives you more time to prep your other cases!)
I give em the benefit of the doubt.
I was getting frustrated with an order awhile back, then thought about the big picture a little more...probably 4.8 million people with the same idea as you...
are you guys really suprised that once fired mil brass is messed up sometimes? machine guns destroy the stuff, not to mention that the troops step on it etc, etc. they pick it all up and send it to drmo where they auction it off to the public. the companies who sell it weigh it and ship it out. just be glad they do. the government for awhile used to shread it and sell it to china. it was illegal to sell it to the public...
It is not once fired. It is pulled cases.
You are right that bulk shipped brass will have it's share of issues.
I have also purchased pulled primed brass(from another outfit) that only needed the necks resized with no other issues. These were FC "08" NATO cases, was able to use 100% of them.
It is still a Wideners Quality Control problem as I can see it.
This brass was from pulled ammo. But the rough handling still applies. And there was a reason it was pulled. I've always been happy with wideners. Have you called them?
Thanks for the heads up, I was going to buy a batch of that stuff as my current batch of Lake City is on its last leg. I usually have good luck with Wideners.
I had excellent luck with a batch of "New" FC 09 cases I got from Brassman a while back, 0 bad cases out of 500. They are listing LC right now.
I had some shortage from a once fired shipment. Took about 10 days to 2 weeks days before they got back to me via email They replaced all plus a few. Be patient with Wideners I think you'll be happy.
I dont konw if i am going to put them on my crap list but.......
I emailed them about 3 weeks ago about some trouble i had with powder i purchased from them, Then have yet to return my email. I know it is the busy season but 3 weeks ... geeze
I'd have to agree with what others have said here. It's milsurp Lake City brass, not Lapua. For the price it's sold at and considering it's been tossed around by everyone who's laid hands on it, I wouldn't expect 100% perfection. Heck, about 15% of the brand new Winchester brass I just bought had dinged up or bent necks. As for the split necks? Well, expecting them to hand inspect thousands upon thousands of pieces of military brass might be asking for a little much. I'm actually surprised Wideners even offers to replace the defects. I'd assume it's a buyer beware "sold as is" deal.
A lot of what I have culled out as unusable was that way before it had the bullets pulled.
I strongly suspect that this was ammo that failed QC at Lake City.
Most of the bad stuff has malformed necks. Little spots where the neck had excess material and the original forming machine just kinda welded it together under the extreme pressure that the machine uses.
What Wideners should have done was drop the price a bit and sold it, "as is" with a disclaimer stating that there would be unusable pieces.
This. It was priced as 100% useable, and not advertised as containing some duds. I'm aggravated because they told me they mailed replacements , but the didn't, and they still are not addressing my emails.
YES of course its stuff that failed LC QC that is why its pulled brass!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who would pull a perfect LC round? No one, it'd be in one of my boys weapons in the Stan! You need to be a little reasonable and not toss a good company under the bus. Wiedners is a reputable and 100% upstanding company. Being upset that mil surplus, who knows how many times prior shot, and at a huge discount brass isnt perfect is unreasonable. If you want perfect buy lapua.
Once again. This is not SHOT brass. It was advertised brand new and useable and $priced$ that way. close to 20% waste is completely unacceptable for something that was not advertised that way. They said they mailed out replacements, but they did not and now don't even answer my very polite emails, so yes, they deserve to get thrown under the bus.
I got alot of stuff from Wiedners in the past and never had any problems but there is alway a first for anything, I got brass from here before too http://www.topbrass-inc.com/reloading-supplies/ with good luck. I got a couple of bags know with a 1000 in them and in the past not had but 4 or 5 cases be bad per 1000.
+1 for TopBrass, I've bought several thousand rounds of once fired resized (various HS, not all LC). I drop every on of 'em in my LE Wilson HS Gauge, and all have been perfect. Of course, the occasional bunged up case mouth happens... But, for my money, the best way to go.
Sux you're having bad luck w/ Wideners. Like everyone else has said, they have been very consistent for me over the years too. I agree, takes 7 seconds to pick up the phone. Disappointing to hear their support is failing you.
I dont have much to offer but noticed Privi is up 15 bucks per 200 rounds since the last I ordered. I passed I know it's not much but just the fact. Gonna wait till m14parts restocks. I'd rather support a m14 type company anyways.
I have bought a ton of brass, powder and bullets from Widener's. Never an issue, but if you are getting used milsurp pulled brass (as advertised...) you should expect some rejects.
I'm sure they're very busy, give them some slack...RNGR3
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