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May 31st, 2011, 05:34 PM
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#31 | | Scout Sniper
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I think I read here that the tiny (<1mm) circle with a cross inside means NATO, yes?
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May 31st, 2011, 05:55 PM
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#32 | | Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico, USA
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Originally Posted by MesaRifle  I think I read here that the tiny (<1mm) circle with a cross inside means NATO, yes? | Yes, it's the NATO logo.
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November 14th, 2011, 11:32 AM
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#33 | | Rifleman
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Broad Brook CT
Posts: 49
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Hello all, I have some ammo i can't ID. Maybe someone knows who manufactured it? It's marked with a NM with a circled bullseye stamped in it. Does anyone have any information about it? thanks Scott in CT 
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January 1st, 2012, 12:42 PM
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#34 | | Newbie
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Reno, NV
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Hello, I just found this site looking for info on identifying a box of 308 Winchester I've come across. The head stamp reads 308W at twelve o'clock, 83 at six o'clock, and, a single 0 at both 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions. It is brass case with dark red sealed primer the necks down through the shoulders have been annealed. They topped with a FMJ looks to be 150-168 grain. Rounds are packed in 20 round cardboard packs, loaded into a wooden 1000 round crate. The cardboard boxes and wooden crate is stamped .308 Win. Probably not a military contractor, no mention of 7.62 Nato on packaging. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, and Happy New Year to all my fellow M14 comrades. This is my first post of any kind so I hope I've got every thing in order if not I'll learn from my mistakes, Thanks again!
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January 1st, 2012, 01:42 PM
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#35 | | Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico, USA
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Originally Posted by gordo69 Hello, I just found this site looking for info on identifying a box of 308 Winchester I've come across. The head stamp reads 308W at twelve o'clock, 83 at six o'clock, and, a single 0 at both 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock positions. It is brass case with dark red sealed primer the necks down through the shoulders have been annealed. They topped with a FMJ looks to be 150-168 grain. Rounds are packed in 20 round cardboard packs, loaded into a wooden 1000 round crate. The cardboard boxes and wooden crate is stamped .308 Win. Probably not a military contractor, no mention of 7.62 Nato on packaging. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, and Happy New Year to all my fellow M14 comrades. This is my first post of any kind so I hope I've got every thing in order if not I'll learn from my mistakes, Thanks again! | Welcome on board gordo69, I hope that you post more and keep on coming back in the future.
Your headstamp is OO or S&B which happens to be corrosive surplus ammunition from 1983. It's berdan prime. If you use it clean well with the correct cleaner for corrosive ammunition. Use this "Sticky" in the future for most all safe military surplus ammunition gordo69. The Military Surplus Ammunition I have tested
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January 3rd, 2012, 09:56 AM
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#36 | | Newbie
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Reno, NV
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XXIV Corps, thanks for helping avoid that blunder. I won't run that ammo threw the M1A. I don't want to take a chance at missing any corrosive residue. Thanks again, Gordo.
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January 12th, 2012, 03:07 PM
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#37 | | Newbie
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hillsboro, NM
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I need help identifying a headstamp. It has 7.62x51 at 12 o'clock, and the following code at 6 o'clock "15FlB (or R) 83. Fits in a Wilson head space gage perfectly. Anyone know what I.ve got?
Thanks,
hen0302
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January 13th, 2012, 01:02 PM
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#38 | | Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico, USA
Posts: 4,709
|  Research, still the best game in town......
Afternoon hen0302,
I have tracked down two that are close, without a clear picture I'm not to sure what you really have in your hand.
The first one that comes-up is from Argentina, item #A123-1
@12 is 7.62x51
@ 3 is blank
@ 6 is FLB
@ 9 is blank
The 2nd one that I track down is from Portugal, item #A145.
@ 12 is 7.62x51
@ 3 is XX for the year manufactured
@ 6 is FNM
@ 9 is an R or S or even the NATO logo!
What I have fired is
Argentine, '83, [ FLB ], Berdan, three star crimp with green primer sealant.
Portuguese, '76, [ FNM ], Berdan, three star crimp with green primer sealant. NATO Cross and date
Portuguese, '78, [ BF ], Berdan, three star crimp with green primer sealant. NATO Cross and date
Portuguese, '78, [ FNM ], Berdan, three star crimp with green primer sealant. NATO Cross and date
Portuguese, '79, [ BF ], Berdan, three star crimp with green primer sealant. NATO Cross and date
Portuguese, '81, [ FNM ], Berdan, three star crimp with no primer sealant visible. NATO Cross and date
Portuguese, '82, [ FNM ], Berdan, three star crimp with no primer sealant visible. NATO Cross and date
Portuguese, '92, [ FNM ], Berdan, zero crimp with green primer sealant.
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January 13th, 2012, 05:06 PM
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#39 | | Newbie
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hillsboro, NM
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Thanks XXlV Corps,
Sounds like its the first one to me. What does the item #A123-1 refer to, and do you think they are safe to fire in my M1A?
hen0302
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January 13th, 2012, 05:38 PM
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#40 | | Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico, USA
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Originally Posted by hen0302 Thanks XXlV Corps,
Sounds like its the first one to me. Good.
What does the item #A123-1 refer to, It's a drawing # of a headstamp item number in a large data base that I use.
and do you think they are safe to fire in my M1A? Hell yes.
hen0302 | Here is a listing of Military surplus ammunition I have fired out of my NM M1A in the past ten years, all safe to fire in our M1A's hen0302. 
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January 14th, 2012, 04:06 PM
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#41 | | Newbie
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hillsboro, NM
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Thanks for the info. I reload, and sometimes the stuff I read about reloading for the M1A makes me stop amd wonder if I'm going to damage my rifle. Anyway, I want to be careful about anything I shoot in it. Thanks for the help. I hope I can return the favor one of these days.
hen0302
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March 16th, 2012, 12:25 PM
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#42 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by duckbuck | Information was noted on the STANAG 7.62x51 agreement drawing I posted.
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March 16th, 2012, 12:32 PM
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#43 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by MesaRifle I think I read here that the tiny (<1mm) circle with a cross inside means NATO, yes? | NATO Standardization mark. See attached.
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March 16th, 2012, 12:36 PM
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#44 | | Platoon Sergeant
Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal
Posts: 325
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Originally Posted by XXIV Corps Welcome on board gordo69, I hope that you post more and keep on coming back in the future.
Your headstamp is OO or S&B which happens to be corrosive surplus ammunition from 1983. It's berdan prime. If you use it clean well with the correct cleaner for corrosive ammunition. Use this "Sticky" in the future for most all safe military surplus ammunition gordo69. The Military Surplus Ammunition I have tested | If you guys want, I can post how to make "Ed's Red" or you can just get it from Brownells. Ed's an old friend of mine and the formula he came up with years ago was placed into the public domain years ago. Works nicely. Ed and I are planning to get to Perry this year even to just shoot rattle battle.
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