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Old September 18th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #16
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Yeah I also seemed to notice that my Federal brass produced a lot more shavings when deburring flash holes. I never had to swage the primer pockets though. Granted I have only reloaded once fired GMM and new premium brass so I'm not sure if the American Eagle stuff is different.

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OK Dozier.

One thing I ran into yesterday prepping Fed American Eagle 7.62 M14 once fired brass.

I had to swage the primer pockets. About 3/4 of what I have, the primers would not insert & that after ubiforming with a Sinclair primer pocket tool. After swaging, everything was grand. I use a RCBS APS priming tool and have never had a problem like that with commercial brass before.

Also, all of the Fed brass that I have prepped have had real ragged flash holes. Nice and round but lots of material inside the case that needed to be trimmed away from the flash hole & I mean lots of material/brass gets trimmed out. I'm using a Stoney Point/Sinclair flash hole tool that won't let you cut too deep, even without a pilot.

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I've never reloaded any Fed Amer. Eagle. Do they have a primer crimp? If not, and the depth of the PP is deep enough; you might just try swage them only. I reload only GGG and I had trouble with tight PP's after swageing. So I had to ream them using the Hornady Reamer. GGG is very uniform as to the PP depth, so material only needs to be removed from the sides and a 45 degree chamfer to remove the primer crimp. This tool does this exactly w/o cutting the PP hole any deeper. I completley cut out the swageing operation. I use the RCBS Universal Primer tool. When you say ragged flash holes, are you talking about the edges where the hole starts, or all thru the hole? Just wondering. dozier

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I've never reloaded any Fed Amer. Eagle. Do they have a primer crimp? If not, and the depth of the PP is deep enough; you might just try swage them only. I reload only GGG and I had trouble with tight PP's after swageing. So I had to ream them using the Hornady Reamer. GGG is very uniform as to the PP depth, so material only needs to be removed from the sides and a 45 degree chamfer to remove the primer crimp. This tool does this exactly w/o cutting the PP hole any deeper. I completley cut out the swageing operation. I use the RCBS Universal Primer tool. When you say ragged flash holes, are you talking about the edges where the hole starts, or all thru the hole? Just wondering. dozier
I am talking about inside the case where the punch leaves a bunch of material hanging around the flash hole. Flash hole is fine in the primer pocket.

I have 1K of GGG & wouldn't give it up at just about any price. No swaging & flash hole is drilled like Lapua. Really good stuff & wish I could find more.

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I just found this old thread regardint the American Eagle 7.62x51 M1A brass.
Looks like they may have crimped the primers on this stuff.
Swaging fixed me up.

7.62x51 American Eagle reloading problems

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I am talking about inside the case where the punch leaves a bunch of material hanging around the flash hole. Flash hole is fine in the primer pocket.

I have 1K of GGG & wouldn't give it up at just about any price. No swaging & flash hole is drilled like Lapua. Really good stuff & wish I could find more.

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Ah, gotcha. Wondering if the same situation occurs with FGMM/Fed Premium Ammo? Probably not, since the brass is held to tighter tolerances due to newer tooling used in the extruding process. The PP hole is put in by a mandrel/punch. When new, the forward edges are crisp/sharp, and will cut a nice round clean hole thru the cart. head. With enough usage the sharp edges eventually get worn and rounded off a little. This will cause the hole to be not cut as clean. That mandrel still makes a hole, but it now more displaces the metal, rather than clean cutting the hole. At this point this is not acceptable in the FGMM/Prem. lines, where accuracy/consistency counts. At that point Federal probably relegates this tooling to their lower quality/cost Fed American Eagle line.Tooling isn't cheap, so they try to get a little more mileage out of it. Most shooters do not expect similar accuracy from the Fed Eagle as compared to FGMM. I've seen similar holes in some 90 Cavim I purchased years ago. I didn't care or expect tack driving ammo at $3.12 a box.
To further prove this guesswork, look at your second paragraph. GGG is some of the most consistent brass around. When they started out in 2003, this was done on brand spanking new machinery set up by Winchester Engineers under contract to GGG. GGG was trying to get NATO certification and had high standards to meet. They finally got their cert. in 05. A distributor recently had some for sale, a $1 a round by the battlepack. Twice the price from 4 yrs ago. Good stuff. dozier

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Ah, gotcha. Wondering if the same situation occurs with FGMM/Fed Premium Ammo? Probably not, since the brass is held to tighter tolerances due to newer tooling used in the extruding process. The PP hole is put in by a mandrel/punch. When new, the forward edges are crisp/sharp, and will cut a nice round clean hole thru the cart. head. With enough usage the sharp edges eventually get worn and rounded off a little. This will cause the hole to be not cut as clean. That mandrel still makes a hole, but it now more displaces the metal, rather than clean cutting the hole. At this point this is not acceptable in the FGMM/Prem. lines, where accuracy/consistency counts. At that point Federal probably relegates this tooling to their lower quality/cost Fed American Eagle line.Tooling isn't cheap, so they try to get a little more mileage out of it. Most shooters do not expect similar accuracy from the Fed Eagle as compared to FGMM. I've seen similar holes in some 90 Cavim I purchased years ago. I didn't care or expect tack driving ammo at $3.12 a box.
To further prove this guesswork, look at your second paragraph. GGG is some of the most consistent brass around. When they started out in 2003, this was done on brand spanking new machinery set up by Winchester Engineers under contract to GGG. GGG was trying to get NATO certification and had high standards to meet. They finally got their cert. in 05. A distributor recently had some for sale, a $1 a round by the battlepack. Twice the price from 4 yrs ago. Good stuff. dozier
WOW, $3.12 a box. I also remember when gas was 25 cents a gallon.

There I go again, the good old days when I was a young man.

My GGG is HS 04, most going on it's 4th reload and still strong.

No problems seating primers in the once fired Fed GMM brass.

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