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I wanted to ask all of the experts on here about this ammo. My mother was given a large box of ammo ...
I wanted to ask all of the experts on here about this ammo. My mother was given a large box of ammo by a friend that knows I shoot and love firearms. So my mother took this picture and and sent it to my phone. Sorry I do not have any other photos, as this was the only one she sent me. She said that there are 5 badoliers of what appears to be 30-06 ammo.
She said that each bandolier pouch contains 2 stripper clips with 5 rounds each. Then she said there was a long canvas belt fully loaded with "caliber .30 M1" which I am guessing is Garand ammo. My question is, what is in the stripper clips? My guess was the 03 Springfield ammo? She also said the box contains alot of loose 30-06 ammo among several other caliber including .308. It's killing me not to know! I see it as a goody box! Can't get it from her until next week though. Any ideas?
Oh and she also said that the ammo belonged to her friend's husband that just passed. She told her that he was in WWII and had other stuff including several rifles. HOPEFULLY, I will be able to see what she has as she was considering turning them into the Sheriff's Office which would be ashamed. Maybe I can beat her to the punch. Thanks guys.
Last edited by SAPPNASTY; November 12th, 2011 at 05:38 PM.
We get turned in firearms from elderly folks on a semi regular basis. I recommend they research prices and check with multiple dealers to determine who will provide them a fair price. Many don't want the guns and we take them.
We are able to trade them to local dealers for credits. We utilize reputable dealers who provide a fair price.Unfortunately the owners are out the money.
Last year someone called the PD about getting rid of an old firearm. One of my employees told her to call DealerX. DealerX is well known for not providing anything close to a fair price. The officer told me about the call about 10 minutes after he spoke to the owner. I was in the field and went by the house. It was a Broomhandle Mauser with original wooden stock in 9mm.
DealerX arrived about 10 minutes after I had looked at the pistol and offered her $200. I told the owner this pistol had historical value and was worth much, much more. Since I had arrived first, she wanted the PD to take the gun to get it out of the house. I strongly advised her to check the internet to get some values and sell it to a reputable dealer.
DealerX was pretty upset with me and didn't get the gun. She later got several thousand dollars for the pistol. She called me to thank me for the advice.
I later talked to the officer and he was corrected about his actions. We can't recommend anyone. The officer is not a gun guy and only knew DealerX from local advertisements.
I have a varied firearm collection. My wife knows when I pass to throw out any of my friends who come to help her with the gun collection. :)
Don't get me wrong...I guess after I re-read my post it sounded as though I was a snake....lol. Not my intentions at all. She told my mother that she wasnt interested in anything other than getting them out of the house. She no longer wanted firearms in her home and I think it would just be ashamed if she turned them into the S.O. because they will simply destroy them. I would hate to see that happen. We'll see what she says and go from there.
I wasn't trying to imply anything. I would rather they go to someone who appreciates firearms rather than the PD. And I'm sure her deceased husband who kept them all these years would rather have them in someone hands who appreciated them.
My worthless friends have coveted my collection for many years. :)
.30 M1 is 30-06 ammo. It is the predecessor to the .30 M2 used during WWII. It has a 174gr FMJ-BT opposed to the .30 M2s 150gr FMJ-FB. It was intended for the 1903 Springfield bolt action and (IIRC) not suitable for the M-1 Garand. Something about receiver cracking. The .30 M2 was developed for the Garand.
For these reasons, in 1926, the Ordnance Corps developed the .30 M1 Ball cartridge using a 174-grain (11.3 g) bullet with a 9 degree boat tail, traveling at a reduced muzzle velocity of 2,640 ft/s (800 m/s). This bullet offered significantly greater range from machine guns and rifles alike due to its increased ballistic coefficient. Additionally, a gilding metal jacket was developed that all but eliminated the metal fouling that plagued the earlier cartridge. Wartime surplus totaled over 2 billion rounds of ammunition. Army regulations called for training use of the oldest ammunition first. As a result, the older .30-06 ammunition was expended for training; stocks of M1 ammunition were allowed to slowly grow until all of the older ammo had been fired. By 1936 it was discovered that the maximum range of the new M1 ammunition and its 174-grain (11.3 g), boat-tailed bullets were beyond the safety limitations of many ranges. An emergency order was made to manufacture quantities of ammunition that matched the ballistics of the older cartridge as soon as possible. A new cartridge was developed in 1938 that was essentially a duplicate of the old M1906 round, but with a gilding metal jacket and a different lead alloy, resulting in a bullet that weighed 152 grains (9.8 g) instead of 150. This cartridge, the Cartridge .30 M2 Ball, used a flat-based bullet fired at a higher muzzle velocity (2,805 ft/s) than either of its predecessors.
You can shoot it in your M1 but the primers are corrosive so you will need to thoroughly clean your rifle after firing. There are no receiver cracking issues.
Cal. .30 M1 Ball was developed shortly after the end of WWI and was intended to provide increased range, which was accomplished through it's 172 grain boattail bullet. It had so much additional range that many National Guard rifle ranges became unsafe because M1903 rifles then had significantly increased range. In the mid-1930's a decision was made to return to the old Cal. .30 M1906 bullet, which was a flat base 150 grain bullet. The new cartridge with the 150 grain bullet was named Cal. .30 M2 Ball and became the standard cartridge used in the M1903 and later the M1. When MATCH ammunition for the M1 was developed in the 1950's the basis for Cal. .30 M72 MATCH was the old Cal. .30 M1 Ball. So actually, the M1 Ball and M72 MATCH are essentially the same cartridge. All of these cartridges are safe to fire in an M1 Rifle.
As an additional note, when the change from M1 Ball to M2 Ball was implemented in the mid-1930's, the bullets on M2 Ball were tinned so they could be readily identified from M1 Ball. This practice continued until 1940. So if you see any .30 cal ammo with a tinned bullet with a headstamp between 1936 and 1940 you have some early Cal. .30 M2 Ball ammo.
I finally picked up all of the ammo that my mother got from her friend. There was a lot more than I expected.
There was one tan canvass ammo belt (100% condition) that was marked "MILLS" - "Pat. June 16 '07" (guessing 1907) and dated "May 18 1915". The belt was completely full of ammo. Eachof the nine (9) pouches contained two 5 round stripper clips. Most of the ammo in the canvass belt was marked "FA 40NM" and the rest was alln "FA 29". That was it for the canvass belt (pictured below)
There were a total of six (6) tan bandoliers all full with six pockets of two 5 round stripper clips. Most ammo was mixed but it was all "Frankford Arsenal" ranging in years from 29-40. Some rounds are corroded but most is okay. All pouches are pictured below:
Then there was a "Superman" peanut butter jar that had about 100 loose rounds...again most was Frankford Arsenal but there were a few headstamps I am unsure about. Most of the rounds were horribly corroded but some were okay (All pictured below).