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Old January 8th, 2017, 08:09 AM   #31
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Under the "Press-On" rules, in effect during most of Arc Light and Linebacker (I and II), a single engine failure was not grounds to abort the mission.
I flew 727s for a few years and for failure of one engine the company didn't require us to declare an emergency. Had to shut one down (low oil pressure) going into DFW. We were a little heavy for the altitude we were at so I called Ft. Worth Center and requested lower and told them why. Apparently the controller declared an emergency for us, as we got priority handling all the way to the runway. Not a bad thing to have happen on a busy day!

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Well there's your problem, your engine fell off.
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Losing an engine. One of four on each side. Sure to get your attention.

When we were at Minot AFB in the late 60's they lost two of them. And a KC 135.

I don't remember much about one of them. The other one had the dad of one of my school friends on it. It was a training mission and had extra people on board (in those days the B52's had more people on them anyway) and it seems like that crash killed 10 or 11 men. Lost power on all four engines on one side as it was climbing off the runway from takeoff. Rolled over and hit the ground.

They grounded the planes after the second one went in. I think there was one survivor from one of the planes (don't remember if it was the first or second, but it wasn't the one my friends dad was on). An IG came in to do an investigation of maintenance practices, records, training, etc. He was on the KC 135 that went down after the investigation had been completed. I don't remember how many people were on that one but it was the crew and a lot of the support staff for the IG.

When we were at Little Rock AFB in 1971 they lost a couple of C130's. One had an Israeli military team on it that had been in the US for training. It went down well away from the base. When the second one went down we were on our way to school and we could see the big black clouds of smoke coming up from behind the hill that was between the runway/shops and the housing area. We knew it was bad but we didn't know exactly what had happened till later that day when we got back from school. Another crash on take off that killed everyone on the plane.

I think service brats grow up being exposed to things like this (even if you're lucky enough to not lose one of your parents, most likely you'll know another kid in school who isn't so lucky) that most civilians never even consider.

Oh, we were at Minot when that F106 from Malmstrom landed itself in the farm field after the pilot bailed out. Seems like Minot lost one that went down on the ice of what was Lake Garrison at the time. I remember asking dad why they would be sending divers down to get pieces off a wrecked air plane and he mentioned it had electronics and missiles on it.

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Oh, we were at Minot when that F106 from Malmstrom landed itself in the farm field after the pilot bailed out.
I think they eventually fixed that F-106....minor damage.

I saw an engine from another F-106 that wasn't so lucky, from compressor face to the back of the afterburner can was about 4 feet.

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Glad no one was hurt and that training saved the crew and aircraft.

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Instead of re-engineing the BUFF, the AF decided to keep the TF33 and save money by using the TF33s from the C-141 Program.
Typical assbackwards Pentagon thinking. The BEST engine to replace the TF33s would be the JT8D-219s. The fuel savings would pay for the re-engineering.

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Typical assbackwards Pentagon thinking. The BEST engine to replace the TF33s would be the JT8D-219s. The fuel savings would pay for the re-engineering.
That would be replacing one dinosaur with slightly newer, heavier dinosaur.

And, I don't think the fuel savings over the next twenty years would break-even for the engineering and retrofit costs. Not to mention the expense of adding a new engine, and all of its associated spares and tooling to the supply system.

If the cost of re-engining the B-52 fleet were as cheap and straight forward as the KC-135 fleet (and it would significantly more expensive, Boeing had already done much of the work when they re-engined the 707), it would cost about 25 million an aircraft. The CFM is 100% more efficient than the older TF-33 and the operating cost for the KC-135 fleet has only dropped about $900,000 per year per aircraft.

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OK....aircraft dummy here...so help me out. There are 8 engines, but mounted in "pairs". How do you lose 1 engine from a pair? Did it slide out the back of the nacelle?
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Yes the dreaded 7 engine landing manuver.

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Someone has a big dent in their shed or a very very bad headache.

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OK....aircraft dummy here...so help me out. There are 8 engines, but mounted in "pairs". How do you lose 1 engine from a pair? Did it slide out the back of the nacelle?
They are mounted individually inside a sheet metal pod. If the mounts fail, a 4 ton engine will rip through the sheet metal pod.

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They are mounted individually inside a sheet metal pod. If the mounts fail, a 4 ton engine will rip through the sheet metal pod.
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If you haven't seen one of these, it's pretty awesome. Not as many up there as there were in the 60's. When I check out Minot AFB on google earth there are never B52's sitting on the pads in the Christmas tree where the old alert buildings are at. I guess these days they don't feel the need to have 10 or so fully fuled/armed intercontinental nuclear armed bombers with ready crews available to leave within minutes of getting the warning that the base in under threat of nuclear attack within the next 20 minutes or so. And that's a good thing.


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OK....aircraft dummy here...so help me out. There are 8 engines, but mounted in "pairs". How do you lose 1 engine from a pair? Did it slide out the back of the nacelle?
Two engines are mounted to one pylon but they are separate.

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B-52's are getting awfully long in the tooth

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