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This is a discussion on GIs Authorized to Carry Weapons on Station within the Air Force forums, part of the Armed Services category; http://www.guns.com/2016/11/22/penta...guns-released/ A couple thoughts: -A 26 page directive...and that's without supplements -90 day periods of authorized carry...Perpetual confusion? -The photo: Either a handgun classroom or ...


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Old November 22nd, 2016, 06:11 PM   #1
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GIs Authorized to Carry Weapons on Station

http://www.guns.com/2016/11/22/penta...guns-released/

A couple thoughts:

-A 26 page directive...and that's without supplements
-90 day periods of authorized carry...Perpetual confusion?

-The photo: Either a handgun classroom or a circular (square?) firing squad.

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Old November 22nd, 2016, 06:19 PM   #2
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http://www.guns.com/2016/11/22/penta...guns-released/

A couple thoughts:

-A 26 page directive...and that's without supplements
-90 day periods of authorized carry...Perpetual confusion?

-The photo: Either a handgun classroom or a circular (square?) firing squad.
Sounds very 'Air Force' to me...

The same info to the Army and Marines would something like---

Y'all know what you usta be told about carrying your own handguns?

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When I was in, one of my Commanders counseled me for wearing an NRA ball cap to a unit picnic (in civvies). He told me he couldn't understand why anyone in the Air Force would have interest in firearms and that i was portraying an un-airman like image.

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When I was in, one of my Commanders counseled me for wearing an NRA ball cap to a unit picnic (in civvies). He told me he couldn't understand why anyone in the Air Force would have interest in firearms and that i was portraying an un-airman like image.
Wow, no disrespect but he sounds like an idiot.

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Wow, no disrespect but he sounds like an idiot.
Why sugar coat it. He was an idiot.

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I know of one National Guard armory whose fulltime staff carry, including the recruiter whose office is in the building but not assigned to the tenant unit per se. The armory in question is nothing special, an E7 and a couple E6's assigned to an Armor Company that's part of a Combined Arms Battalion.

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Isn't that lefty grip a little weird with that thumb sticking up?

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My base is already about 2-3 weeks into allowing personnel to bring their concealed carry firearms with them to work. The only caveat: they have to lock the weapon in their vehicle once they reach their work center.

Prior to this, they had to unload and separate the ammo before coming on base, then report directly to the armory and turn it in for the remainder of their duty day.

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The only caveat: they have to lock the weapon in their vehicle once they reach their work center.


That defines "cranial/rectal inversion". That would only make sense if you weren't a terrorist target while you were doing your job, but it is exactly when you are a target. It's a fact that our uniformed military has become a target.

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The only caveat: they have to lock the weapon in their vehicle once they reach their work center.


That defines "cranial/rectal inversion". That would only make sense if you weren't a terrorist target while you were doing your job, but it is exactly when you are a target. It's a fact that our uniformed military has become a target.
Yeah, I dont agree it with it. The fact that the whole situation is pubic knowledge and being broadcasted on the news... only a matter of time before these firearms are stolen out of their vehicles. Not to mention, the requirements to access the base have been dumbed down dramatically (ok, dumbed down to Army/Marine procedures ). Only one ID is required, so you can bring whoever you want on base.

So to recap: We have a large amount of firearms stored in vehicles with hundreds of non-military affiliated personnel roaming the base.

I'd rather personnel keep their concealed carry weapon on them, but be prepared to face the consequences. I.e, your friendly neighborhood security forces are going to treat every person as if they are armed because, well, the majority of people are! Imagine the dependa uproar on that!

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I've read that DoD instruction and it's so bloated with red tape that it's only meant to discourage. Beyond that, each service will have to write it's own implementation reg/instruction which will be even more bloat.
This isn't a good thing nor does it mean anything that most people think it will. It's smoke and mirrors. Some will achieve the high standard for compliance but most will not.
For instance, my current Army base allows POVs on their very small live-fire range. I went thru a day of training, 50 question written closed book test, Commanders authorization, registered weapons (by serial number) at PMO. All this given that: I have a small arms expert ribbon (USAF), 10 year CCW holder. It's bureaucracy at it's finest.
This CCW onbase isn't going to be any different.

 
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