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Old November 13th, 2016, 12:54 PM   #1
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Old November 13th, 2016, 01:03 PM   #2
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Interesting. I almost applied for this program but decided to wait one more year. Not sure I'm interested in flying an actual jet.

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Old November 14th, 2016, 07:34 AM   #3
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Interesting. I almost applied for this program but decided to wait one more year. Not sure I'm interested in flying an actual jet.
I think these are Drone Drivers.

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Old November 14th, 2016, 08:05 AM   #4
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Britain broke the mold by using non officers in WWII due to shortage and actually they gave a very good account of their service as pilots. Those accomplishing becoming pilots must qualify for solo flight in an airplane prior to be assigned to a drone driver versus an airplane driver. Manned aircraft for warfare is coming to a lesser and lesser demand due to human life loss and expense and yes, even to better results on the battlefield. Don't think the drones require a whole airfield installation nor a ship that costs in the billions of dollars and certainly much less cost for the drone itself versus a manner aircraft. I could launch one from a football field and recover it as well after a very precision attack on a given target.

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Kind of a play in words, the Army Air Corps pilots of WWII were enlisted. Still cool, and is still a good idea. If the man can pass the ASTB then give them a shot. I was a math major and it took me two tries to pass that ridiculousness.

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I think these are Drone Drivers.
Yeah, but the article states that although they will be piloting drones, they are still required to spend time flying an actual jet before flying the drones.

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Britain broke the mold by using non officers in WWII due to shortage and actually they gave a very good account of their service as pilots. Those accomplishing becoming pilots must qualify for solo flight in an airplane prior to be assigned to a drone driver versus an airplane driver. Manned aircraft for warfare is coming to a lesser and lesser demand due to human life loss and expense and yes, even to better results on the battlefield. Don't think the drones require a whole airfield installation nor a ship that costs in the billions of dollars and certainly much less cost for the drone itself versus a manner aircraft. I could launch one from a football field and recover it as well after a very precision attack on a given target.
The cost is higher than one would think and they are a logistics nightmare in their own way. Are they as expensive as a dozon carriers out on the ocean, no, but carriers fill far more roles than a mobile airfield.

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Yeah, but the article states that although they will be piloting drones, they are still required to spend time flying an actual jet before flying the drones.
Yes, this is true. You must be a real pilot prior to sitting behind controls of a drone.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 07:59 PM   #8
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Air Force is lagging behind the Army on this.

Friend's son is flying drones in the Army. He was a Civil Air Patrol cadet before enlisting, had already solo'ed and built up some flying hours after attending one of their flight academies. Supposedly the time he's flying the drones counts for PIC time.

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Drones is a misnomer as they rarely fly automated missions.

In order for USAF personnel to operate one of their two main UAVs (Predator/Reaper and Global Hawk), they must meet the FAA mandated standards for a commercial, instrument rated, single-engine pilot.

The Global Hawk weighs over 15 tons and flies throughout the CONUS and on world-wide missions. Training takes much longer than the smaller and mobile UAVs. Predators/Reapers launch offensive weapons which entails further training.

Plus historically the USAF is more conservative and slower to change. This also accounts for their better flying safety record than the other services.

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This also accounts for their better flying safety record than the other services.

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..that, and the fact that they don't have to take off and land on a tiny, moving, pitching and rolling spec in the ocean.

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I think these are Drone Drivers.
I've read that flying these drones is a really tough job; not the flying itself so much as being in a closed room for long hours accomplishing a difficult task. And no officers club where you can let your hair down, brag your stories and generally let off steam.

Still, it's a good opportunity to learn a fine trade.

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Old January 31st, 2017, 05:41 PM   #13
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This is really cool. The article started with "The Air Force made a bit of history last week: For the first time since it became a separate service in 1947, enlisted pilots strapped into cockpits and flew solo missions." I have a personal connection to this. During WWII my grandfather enlisted in the Army Air Core and became a Liaison Pilot at the rank of Staff Sargent flying L-4s (piper cubs). The story goes: Before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor my grandfather moved from southern Oklahoma to Burbank California for work, for the war effort, where Lockheed Martin sent him to school to be a metal worker he ended up being a tool maker building jigs for P-38s!
After pearl harbor he enlisted in the Army Air Core and with his associates degree thru Lockheed he qualified for the Liaison pilot program. He was deployed to Casablanca, Morocco. Where he flew around clerical personnel? After Allies gained control of the Africa, my grandfather was sent back to the states where he was then stationed at Baker City, Oregon still flying L4s where he flew search patterns over the oregon counrty side looking for Japanese incendiary bombs until the end of the war. He was a cool man and a great granddad. He passed on St Patricks day of the year 2000.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 07:24 PM   #14
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There was an employment ad on the USAF website fishing for drone jockeys a few years back. Military or ex military, flying experience and RC model experience. Looks like they had to offer a bit more incentive to attract military participants.

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