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Old August 28th, 2015, 04:07 AM   #31
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Old August 30th, 2015, 03:03 PM   #32
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As a C-130 crew chief i love the fact that the newest stealth fighters arent fully operational while i'm fixing acft that range from the 1960s-2000s.
I worked Tankers mostly...........newest one was a '64

Have worked more than a few -130s at DEPOT

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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:51 PM   #33
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As impressive as the F-22 is I'd rather have the eight Eagles. The F-35 is just a black hole for taxpayer money.

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Old December 10th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #34
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Got to support those DOD welfare queens lined up at the food bank.

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Old December 10th, 2015, 04:36 PM   #35
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Three old sayings come to mind
The more "one size fits all" the less chance of fitting anyone.
"The more complicated you make the plumbing the easier it is to stop up"
"Just because it's new , doesn't mean it's better"
Well, remember now, we wouldn't have our beloved M14 if folks hadn't tried to create a multi dimensional battle rifle.

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Old December 11th, 2015, 06:54 AM   #36
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As a C-130 crew chief i love the fact that the newest stealth fighters arent fully operational while i'm fixing acft that range from the 1960s-2000s. We had C 130 E models from 1962, all served in Vietnam. One had a RPG hit the cargo door and not go off. We were still supporting missions when I got out in 1992, the KC 135 is another example of a well built airframe (B707) with new engines and avionic up grades will fly into 2025.....Old Buff.... Man how many cycles on that Airframe 1950's design still dropping 1000 lbs bombs on Bearded Cock Roaches. A classic design lasts a long time... true for Cars, watches, Guns, Homes Etc...

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Old December 11th, 2015, 09:28 PM   #37
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Aircraft are built around the technology available when they are designed. Putting the latest processor in would be like getting a brain transplant.
...not necessarily true...the current train of thought is to come up with an idea then attempt to develop the technology to bring that idea to fruition, often regardless of realistic expectations....if you dump enough time, funds and resources into a project, it's gotta' be good, right?....surely you remember Reagans 'star wars' mentality....

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Old December 11th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #38
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As a C-130 crew chief i love the fact that the newest stealth fighters arent fully operational while i'm fixing acft that range from the 1960s-2000s.
....kudos to you wookieesniper, for being associated with one of the greatest aircraft ever built......

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Old December 11th, 2015, 10:26 PM   #39
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i had a 25mhz and could command a whole army and base on on dune II it even beeped and booped for missle launches.

then i got... a sound card

all the kids came over to see it.



but really if the f22 had the ihonda connect computer they would be uploading sefies to FB and giving away their squadron locations.




they use that chip for a reason though. they could put more advanced computers but its not needed.

dont forget cycles per second isnt everything my i7 opens the next window just as fast as my i386 sx did

in fact since it booted to dos i could launch programs faster on my old 25mhz timing from power on to app loaded.

c:\ cd\xwing

c:\xwing xwing.exe

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Old December 12th, 2015, 06:32 AM   #40
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F35 sets new record.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I must say I support the programs. I own a home in the flight path approach to the Base...im praying a 20lbs or better part falls off on to the house during approach...years ago my neighbor in Mechanicsville MD had a 500 lbs dummy bomb fall on his house (1980 Testing f18 at pax river ). I rushed over to see a huge hole in the roof to basement, No one was hurt ..Uncle sugar settled fast and quietly.

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Old October 16th, 2016, 07:49 PM   #41
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F35, the Flying Sergeant York...

Time to cut our losses.

The F35 is a 20 year old airframe design, hell the F22 is 35 over years old. We've designed, built, flown and retired entire fleets of fighters in the time it's taken to bring our 5th generation fighters online and the only thing that make them special is the avionics, which can be integrated into our exiting aircraft.

Roundfile the F22/F35 program altogether and send the designers back to the Skunk Works to work on the 6th generation fighters. Meanwhile upgrade our F15's to Silent Eagle configuration, our F16's to Viper models and retrofit the Navy and Marine Superbugs. They'll all have the 5th generation avionics, fly another 15 years and still beat anything Russia or China will fly for generations.

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Old October 17th, 2016, 06:35 AM   #42
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Congratulations, while you didn't set a record, you did post to a thread that was started over two years ago.

Maybe you could give us some insight on how you would have streamlined the acquisition process?

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102 produced with not one mission ready! How exciting, we must dump the A-10 ASAP so we can buy more of these. Also just found out that the F-22 uses 90's era computers with a blazing operating speed of 25 MHz.
The existing F-16 flies circles around the F-35
In head to head match ups the F-35 lost EVERY SINGLE TIME

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Because we the people keep electing morons. Then we lack the backbone to hold them accountable, mostly.

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The existing F-16 flies circles around the F-35
In head to head match ups the F-35 lost EVERY SINGLE TIME

Our country is run by morons with no accountability
Because we the people keep electing morons. Then we lack the backbone to hold them accountable, mostly.
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...if you talk with Air Force and Marine pilots who’ve flown the Harrier, the F-18 and the F-16, every one of them I’ve talked with says the F-35 is a superior aircraft. They’ve said it on the USS Wasp. They’ve said it on the USS Enterprise and they’ve said it in the halls of the Pentagon and at Fort Worth, where the F-35 and the F-16 are made....

...In the only interview the Air Force has done about the F-35’s capabilities and the first 10 days of a full-scale war, retired Gen. Mike Hostage of Air Combat Command, told me this: “In the first moments of a conflict I’m not sending Growlers or F-16s or F-15Es anywhere close to that environment, so now I’m going to have to put my fifth gen [aircraft] in there and that’s where that radar cross-section and the exchange of the kill chain is so critical.”

For those who wonder about the worth of the opinion of a general sitting behind a desk, bear in mind that Hostage flew the F-22, as well as most models of the F-15 and the F-16.

...another pilot who has closely watched the F-35s development and has extensive combat experience, Dave Deptula, who now heads the Air Force Associations’s Mitchell Institute. He’s also a member of the Breaking Defense Board of Contributors. Deptula flew the F-15 and twice led joint task forces, in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

His bottom line about what the test pilot said: It’s “interesting, but not relevant to the issue of campaign level utility of the other very significant advantages the F-35 possesses in the areas of low observability, sensor capability, and information integration that provide the F-35 an enormous advantage relative to legacy aircraft. If one can target and kill your adversaries prior to the merge, what they can do at the merge really doesn’t matter now, does it?”

He believes “the anti-F-35 crowd are so focused on how we fought in the last century with old equipment that they can’t conceive of, or understand the information edge advantage aircraft like the F-22 and F-35 provide.”
Read the entire article here

On a historical note:

During the Vietnam War, the F-105 was acknowledged to be inferior to all Soviet MiG fighters. During the wars 335 Thuds were lost in combat, only 17 were lost to enemy fighters.

Similarly, the F-4 was less maneuverable than the Soviet MiGs. 358 USAF F-4 were lost during the course of the war. Again only 17 of these losses were a result of air combat.

Just under 5%.

If you look at the USN and USMC losses during this conflict the probability of being shot down in air combat are even lower.

During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel admits to loosing 303 aircraft during the conflict, 4 to 12 by air combat. Or 4%, similar to the US experience in Vietnam.

If you prefer to believe Egyptian sources on the number of air-to-air losses for Israel is still less than 8%.

The above can be shown true of all conflicts since WW2 (and even in WW2 most aircraft losses were due to ground firer, I am just not going to wade into those statistics), save one, the Falklands War of 1982. Of the 45 Fuerza Aérea Argentina and Comando de Aviación Naval Argentina aircraft lost to enemy action, 21 were victims of Sea Harriers. Which is more a testament to the dismal level of British air defense, than the superiority of the Sea Harrier over the Mirage V, which lost 9 of 11 to Harriers. (A match-up that normally resulted in the Sea Harrier being mopped up off the floor by Mirages.)

While "dog-fighting" is the glamorous part of being a 'fighter jock', the real threat to combat aircraft is ground fire, specially, all weather guided missiles. Anything that helps survive the ground fire threat is worth minor reduction in air-to-air capability.

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Old October 18th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #45
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Has anyone found anything new about the Boeing Silent Eagle? Last I hear Israel might get it. IMO its a better choice for the Air Force.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...-eagle-israel/

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