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Old June 5th, 2011, 11:32 AM   #1
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Question Springfield M1A SCOUT SQUAD problem ...

Having spent some range time with my new Springfield M1A SCOUT SQUAD
rifle, I have recognized that I have a problem. With the factory iron sights, shooting @ my usual targets @ 50 yds., the front sight pin pretty much covers the bullseye area (and more) of the target,making aiming my rifle more challanging than I'd like. I was happy to learn that my rifle came with Springfield's Scout/Squad Forward Mount ( a $112. option) and I'm considering mounting a scope to the rifle to assist in more precise aiming. I want to be able to accurately assess some different handloads for my rifle & feel the iron sights would limit my ability to place my shots.

Does anyone have a scope mounted to the above mentioned mount & rifle ?
Is a long eye relief scope needed for this mount ?

I'd appreciate hearing from anyone with experience with this rifle & mount to
share their knowledge. Thanks in advance for your help..Joepistol

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Old June 5th, 2011, 12:05 PM   #2
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I have the SA scout squad. I opted to mount a burris 2.75x scout scope on the forward rail in some Burris XTR low rings. I'm very pleased with this setup. Leupold also makes a long eye relief scout scope, 2.5x magnification. I haven't seen it in person but I'd imagine it is pretty much the same as the Burris.

I tried putting a LER pistol scope on the forward rail, a 2-7x, some cheap brand. I didn't like it as much as my 2.75 burris. It was much bigger, and when looking through it at different magnification levels the optimal distance for good eye relief changed a little bit so I was having to reposition my head to get a good sight picture.

A regular rifle scope won't work. I think what will happen, because most rifle scopes require around 2 or 3 inches of eye relief, is when the scope is way out on the forward mount it will be like looking through a pin hole. I think anyway, I've never tried it.

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You can definitely use that mount for a scope, I had a buddy who had one mounted there on his socom, but you will need to get either a long eye relief scope or a scout scope depending on how you attach it.

Just to check as I am not to familiar with Springfield products, this is the same mount as the socom - which wraps around the barrel and comes through the handguard?

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Old June 5th, 2011, 04:56 PM   #4
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In response to your question...

Yes, this the same mount.The Scout Squad and the Socom both use the same mount,as you described..Joepistol..

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Old June 5th, 2011, 11:35 PM   #5
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springfield scout w/I.E.R. scpoe

Hello Joe,

I have an earlier version of your rifle, It was called a scout model. It has the springfield forward scope mount attached to the barrel ahead of the receiver.
It came with a scpoe sold by springfield, the scope has a 4 min. dot in the center of the reticle. The dot covers way to much of the target even at 100 yrds.
The springfield scope has been replaced by a Leupold scout scope in low mount rings, it works great. The only thing remaining to do is to replace the
the standard rings w/ Talley quick release rings to be able to access the iron sights quickly should that need arise.
Hope you enjoy your scout model as much as I do mine.

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Old June 5th, 2011, 11:54 PM   #6
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Might I suggest something...

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Having spent some range time with my new Springfield M1A SCOUT SQUAD
rifle, I have recognized that I have a problem. With the factory iron sights, shooting @ my usual targets @ 50 yds., the front sight pin pretty much covers the bullseye area (and more) of the target,making aiming my rifle more challanging than I'd like. ..Joepistol
Before you doubt your shooting abilites, try using a "6 O'Clock Hold" on your target. Basically you place the whole black circle (not just the x-ring or the 10-ring) on top of the frint sight tip and adjust your elevation so that the impact is in the center of the target. It's much easier to get a consistent grouping rather than using a "Center Hold" method.

You can call it a "Dot the i" or the "The Lollipop" hold too as they accurately describe what your sight picture looks like using these methods. I shoot .75' to 1.5" groups with irons this way and find that at 100yds, I shoot the same size groups as I would if using a scope.

Keep in mind that using a low mag scope isn't really a good platofrm to use for accuracy testing if that's what you're after. If you want better than minute of paper plate accuracy at 100yds, I would use side mounted scope mount, such as a Bassett, rather than the forward mounted low power optic.

I'm not saying that the low power optic won't give you the accuracy you want, but don't be surprised if it falls short of your expectations.

Tony.

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Thumbs up That's what I was doing..

Tony,
After my first few shots, I did switch to a 6 O'clock hold, and was able to group my shots to 1-1.5" (3 shots) @ 50 yds.,stretching across the small bullseye. I had my son spotting thru a spotting scope to announce where shots were hitting. I guess what bothered me was not being able to see the area I was aiming @ clearly.I'm thinking if the bullseye looks like a grey haze @ 50 yds., I'm not going to be able to even see it @ 100 yds.. (should have tried) Since my post, I recalled I have a Nikon "Monarch UCC" LER scope mounted to a Thompson Contender (in 32-20 cal) I bought many years ago from a friend in a money jam. (You know, a "I'll buy it back when I get better financially" situation.....it's been over 15 yrs. & I'm still waiting !"
I can borrow that scope ..can't remember if I ever tried it after buying & mounting it..

Think I'll try w/iron sights @ 100 yds. to see what happens. I'll try my Nikon scope next, (since it's a no-cost option) and see if there's any improvement.
I'll continue to look @ any other scope options offered by others. I'm going to look into the Leupold scout scope mentioned by trkr-22 and understand the limits imposed by a low power scope. While I may eventually end up with a side mount and higher powered scope, it'll be my last choice due to cost of mount & a good high power optic.

Thanks for your comments and those offered by others. I'm also trying different powders in my handloads, had some luck with A/A 2230 & 2460, am loading some 2520 loads for the 147gr FMJ bullets I had stockpiled before component prices headed for the sky..
Thanks again to all who responded I do appreciate the responses I have received.. Joepistol..

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When shooting a rifle for best groups you need to fit the target to the front sight, or if yousing a scope to the reticle.At 50 yards sometimes it is pretty east to just use a blank sheet of typing paper and hold for "the middle of the paper".

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I have a couple of scout length rifles and have fitted them both with LER Burris 2.75 scopes at different times. I'm very pleased with the end result. Very good accuracy and am able to keep both eyes open for good situational awareness. I've shot some pretty long strings and have had no problems with barrel heating up the optics. the duplex reticle of the Burris works well for me,too.

I recently installed a UTG forward rail on one of my 18" rifles and my rings are too low, but as soon as I can get some taller rings another LER scope will be installed on it.

BTW I prefer the Navy hold which is centered on the bull. Works for me but other's mileage may vary.

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...I guess what bothered me was not being able to see the area I was aiming @ clearly.I'm thinking if the bullseye looks like a grey haze @ 50 yds., I'm not going to be able to even see it @ 100 yds...
It sounds like at least one of the issues is that your eyes (like mine) aren't up to focusing on the front sight and the target. There's a long discussion here: MicroSight for the 59 year old eyes which goes into that part of the problem and offers various solutions. My own solution, discussed in posts 14 & 43, works well on a Scout length barrel but, as you can see in the thread, there are other solutions too.

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I had the same iron sight issue with my own scout and some guys in here told me about an AR style front sight post platform for the M1A made by techSights. It allows you to swap out the front post to different shapes sizes and styles( DPMS has the thinnest I've seen). I've been using this set up for a couple years now and like it much better. In my opinion it let's you engage a small target anywhere you can hold the tip. I love it.

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Having spent some range time with my new Springfield M1A SCOUT SQUAD
rifle, I have recognized that I have a problem. With the factory iron sights, shooting @ my usual targets @ 50 yds., the front sight pin pretty much covers the bullseye area (and more) of the target,making aiming my rifle more challanging than I'd like. I was happy to learn that my rifle came with Springfield's Scout/Squad Forward Mount ( a $112. option) and I'm considering mounting a scope to the rifle to assist in more precise aiming. I want to be able to accurately assess some different handloads for my rifle & feel the iron sights would limit my ability to place my shots.

Does anyone have a scope mounted to the above mentioned mount & rifle ?
Is a long eye relief scope needed for this mount ?

I'd appreciate hearing from anyone with experience with this rifle & mount to
share their knowledge. Thanks in advance for your help..Joepistol
I have a Ruger GSR with a scout mount and successfully use a Vortex scope, (4" eye relief), with a cantilever mount. I just ordered a M1A scout so I am hoping that it will work the same.

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