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Old April 26th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #1
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Interested in improving your accuracy?

Interested in improving your accuracy? THE biggest thing you can do is improve your marksmanship skills! Make an effort to attend The All National Guard Marksmanship Team Rifle Clinic this coming 28 May. This is a rare opportunity to get some great coaching.

Lash has given me the opportunity to post this announcement here in the "Accuracy" forum in order to get more exposure. Hopefully we will see some of the MT, ID, UT, WA and OR forum members make it over to Missoula for this low cost clinic (all proceeds go to range supplies).

If you have never been to the Deep Creek Range just outside of Missoula ( , you are missing a terrific place in the mountain pines to camp and shoot! After the clinic, there will be 2 days of rifle matches - both XTC and long range. The cost of the clinic is low and I hope we see some of the M14TFL members attend with their M14's (ARs are always welcome ). Match programs will be emailed to those that request them. Here is the info on the clinic:

Rifle Clinic Info:
Saturday May 28th, Missoula, MT Deep Creek Range - be at the target pits at 8:00AM. The clinic is open to all levels of shooters and will be instructed by the All National Guard Marksmanship Team. Junior shooters will receive free ammo for the clinic from the All Guard Team - other clinic participants will need to bring ~70-80 rounds for the afternoon firing. The day will start with a classroom session at one of the covered ranges followed by a brief intermission for lunch (bring your own). After the lunch break, the All Guard Team will conduct live fire training in an XTC Team match format (50 shots). The clinic participants will receive one-on-one instruction when shooting during the team match. The firing will be at 200yds (off hand slow fire and sitting rapid fire), 300yds (prone rapid fire) and 600yds (prone slow fire). Clinic size is limited to 30 shooters. There will also be a team match fired in conjunction with the clinic match in the afternoon (you do not need to be a participant in the clinic to be on a team and pick up teams are authorized). The total amount of shooters for the afternoon team match and clinic is limited to 45 shooters. We have a number of Montana State Rifle and Pistol Association AR15 rifles available for use. Contact us beforehand to confirm their availability.

Cost for the clinic:
Juniors (21 yrs or younger in 2011) $20.
2 or more Juniors from the same family: $15.
Adults $30
Active Duty, Reserve and Guard components: $20.
Team Match only: $15 (no awards)

Advance registration is required for both the clinic and the non-clinic team match. Juniors will be given priority for clinic registration. Send me an email with your intent to attend. Jameydan "at"

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Old April 26th, 2011, 09:20 PM   #2
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Good job JameyDan, bringing along the next generation and reminding us old folks. Hope the clinic works out and you have many partake of it

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Old July 21st, 2011, 06:11 PM   #3
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Good post and frankly between the team shooters back to Mid Thompkins and the NRA Hi Power, PALMA shooters we had at the range, boy did I learn in my day. The 1000 yards work was done with an old school USMC Sniper which could get painful chuckle... he wasn't shy about making a point with a boot. Also found that the old USMC sniping manual to be critical. It living in my shooting stool with my score book and note book. I referred to it constantly as needed. PS, I got to use not only my first M1A, but 14 that had been tuned into NM standard and various other M1As. I did the work on most of them.

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Old November 25th, 2011, 03:39 PM   #4
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Wonderin why this is stickied when it happened months ago.


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Old January 16th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #5
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M14 accuracy

There are really 3 factor's to gain the accuracy of the M1 Garand and the M14 (including the commercial M1A):

1) Shooter skill set
2) Accuracy of the rifle (NM tuned of course)
3) Ammo.

All of this will be covered in the book when it comes out mid year. At the moment I'm taking a break from the reloading chapter since it in itself is a beast.
Yep, taking it all the way to the level of concentricity which is a major factor in loading 1000 yard ammo.

Understand that because of the team shooters I knew starting back in 1975, I started shooting PALMA in 76. I'd already been shooting Hi Power matches since 1968 starting with an '03. God help me, it was a 2 grove. We had regular clinics at our range. THe shooters we had were incredible from Noma McCullach (then Zinmaster and I think she's remarried again), Gary Woods, occasionally Mid THompkins (I still use one of his cheater slings) and so on.

Best bet for learning a good skill set? Shooting Jacket, Shooting glove, prone pad and a score book. Since I shoot 100 out to 1000, this leaves the .223's out to lunch. I prefer classics and accuracy all the way out, not mouse guns.

Accessories can be purchased at Champion's Choice in Tenn. Good people, great service. When you google them, make sure to note it's shooting supplies and nothing else... I've already tripped over that one chuckle. Oh, stay in shape... I have to battle myself because I pulled my shooting jacket out of the closet the other night and it's getting "tight" in the gut area... but then I am an old fart. P.S. I am going to Perry this year and if I can't get another NM rifle built for myself, I'll be shooting rattle battle and any other match that doesn't favor the mouse guns.

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Old August 27th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #6
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Unfortunately I am located in North Carolina but I'm willing to travel a little. Do you know if there are any events like this held on my side of the US?

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Old August 27th, 2013, 11:04 AM   #7
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They offer marksmanship clinics all around the country for a very reasonable price. They teach all the shooting positions, sight picture, trigger follow through, etc. I attended back in May and it was a very well spent $80(not counting ammo) for the weekend.

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Ok, I'm new here and this may be a worn out question...but here goes. What powder load using 168gr SMK's seems to work best (most consistent tight groups; no high pressure signs; no failures; 100-500 yards) for you?

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