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Old March 26th, 2017, 06:59 AM   #1
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Shooting at what you can't see!

At the Local Public Range you have to qualify and get signed off at 100 yds before you can use the 200 yard Range.

I said do I just shoot at my Target and you verify or what? He said you must shoot this Target and get 5 on paper and 3 in the circles.

When he showed me the 8 1/2 by 11 sheet with faint black circles and a nickel sized Black Bull on it I said how an I supposed to see that with out a scope?

I indeed could not see the Target with open sights at 100 so I relied on the Force (kinda).

When I stapled it up I put it to the left of the Target stanchion and put a blank 8 1/2 x 11 sheet underneath it. I was sighted in for a 6 o'clock hold on a 12 inch target with Hirt.

My aim point was around the line between the two sheets. Somehow I qualified. The guy next to me with a .223 Rem and a scope got 4 in the bull and one out side in the white. Another Shooter with a Scoped Bolt Gun shout about a 4 inch group.

The facsimile below is more or less what the Target looked like. My Circles are Black and not Dark Gray like his printed ones were.
I told the RSO this is not fair for Open sight guys since we can not see the Target. Another RSO told me he allows people to put a big Orange dot on the target.
Anyway I can use the 200 Yard Range now.
It was Luck and a M1A. I doubt I could have done with my other Guns.
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Old March 26th, 2017, 07:15 AM   #2
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you should always travel with a small scoped rifle,in addition

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Old March 26th, 2017, 07:19 AM   #3
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you should always travel with a small scoped rifle,in addition
I have a Rem Model 7 7MM-08 with a 3x9 but that would have been cheating.

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Old March 26th, 2017, 07:35 AM   #4
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Like you John, I would have just shot center of paper and not worried about the circles. Most all M1A shoot 2" or under.

Don't you have some corrective glasses that help with the iron sights?

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Old March 26th, 2017, 07:50 AM   #5
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Like you John, I would have just shot center of paper and not worried about the circles. Most all M1A shoot 2" or under.

Don't you have some corrective glasses that help with the iron sights?
I have Acrylic Lends implants in both eyes corrected to 20/20. I can focus on the front and rear sights as well as see the Target if A) the front sight does not cover it and B) as in this case The lines are so faint you can't see them or a nickle sized black spot at 100.
I think I could have done better it they put up a 7 inch Black spot something like an NRA SR-1 Target.
And I would sight in with my 168 Grain Load.

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sgt,but it shuts them up

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Old March 26th, 2017, 08:09 AM   #7
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I would have just put one of the black shoot N see stickers in the center if they allowed it.
They said you could use the orange paste center, so why not. Even with my non corrected vision I can see these.

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I can understand the requirement before using the 200yd range, but the target to qualify on is almost impossible for irons sights. Then again, at the local range no one seems to shoot without scopes, a "lead sled" of some sort, AND barely keep it in the black at 100!

Nice job at doing it under their rules!

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Old March 26th, 2017, 08:18 AM   #9
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I would have just put one of the black shoot N see stickers in the center if they allowed it.
They said you could use the orange paste center, so why not. Even with my non corrected vision I can see these.
The RSO "Jerry" just gave me the Target and said "shoot this". Later there was another RSO that was qualifying a few shooters. He was the one that said He allows orange spots but by than I was done and squeaked by. No matter it is done and I can use the other Range again.
I am pretty sure I am the only shooter who did this without a scope.

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Old March 26th, 2017, 08:27 AM   #10
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Use center hold and aim at the center of the blob you can see. To do that what helps is to put the target on the center of the target frame. At distance the target frames can be used to sight on, remembering your paper target is in the center, etc.

I guess if you 6 o'clock hold you need to know what your offset is at each range and what that looks like in your sight picture.

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Do a search here for setup and using the six o'clock hold here on this site.

There is some good info on the subject.

I went to the six o'clock hold when using the irons at 100 yards due to crappy eyesight, made a big difference in hitting the black.

Using a SR-1 target at 100 yards the six o'clock hold will put you in the black, when shooting at 200 yards you'll need to put the front site on the center of the target.

Again a search here will give a better explanation.

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Very well done Sgt.
Be proud, that's great shooting for not being able to see squat.

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So now that you passed this test can you shoot the 200 yard range whenever you want?

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Using a SR-1 target at 100 yards the six o'clock hold will put you in the black, when shooting at 200 yards you'll need to put the front site on the center of the target.
Do a search on "Come ups" and you'll see from 100 to 200 is 2 MOA, 200 to 300 is 3 MOA, 300 to 600 is 10 MOA, etc. No need to change sight picture or hold.

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So now that you passed this test can you shoot the 200 yard range whenever you want?
Yes. You go to the shack and they look up your Target that was assigned a number and you get a Blue wrist band for the day.

Just to clarify things My M1A Is sighted in a for a 6 o'clock hold at 100 yds on a 12 inch target so in theory on an 11.5 inch piece of paper The rounds should be more or less center If........ I do my Job LOL.
I shot the Target by sighting in on the Bottom of the Target's Paper.

I have the Dope for the Different Rounds I use in the Butt Stock so I can return the Rear sight to 100 200 yard zero as distances and Ammo change.
It has been about 8 months since the 200 was open.

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