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Old March 13th, 2017, 08:57 AM   #16
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I'm usually pretty meticulous with my reloads.
Tell us about your meticulosity!

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Old March 13th, 2017, 03:23 PM   #17
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Tony, have you tried running your brass thru the die, turning 120 degrees, running thru again and then turning it 120 degrees and a final run thru the die in order to ensure that the neck is centered on the case? Have you checked the thickness of the neck at three points? I don't know how consistant LC brass is in this regard. May want to invest in some Lapua brass and see if that has a better run out. SMK, Hornady, and Nosler bullets usually have very consistant run outs so I'm guessing that the problem may be in your brass. Just thinking out of the box here.

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Old March 13th, 2017, 04:19 PM   #18
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Technique combined with a rifle that shoots 1.5MOA or so is my guess.

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My fliers are always because of ME!!!!

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Old March 13th, 2017, 07:25 PM   #20
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Do I read this right?
We have a reloader that states off the shelf ammo shoots better than his re-loads?

I think that might be a first. :)
It's not unheard of...

I got a Howa 1500 in .22/250 that puts the el cheapo Winchester 40 round white box 45 JHP's into dime sized groups at 100. I can't roll anything that comes close.

I also have a FrankenMauser 98 scout rifle in 7X57 that will only shoot decent groups (2MOA at best) with Remington factory 140 grain Cor Lokt's. I'm still tinkering with different loads for it.

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Old March 13th, 2017, 07:29 PM   #21
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OP,

Anytime I'm not sure about flyers is when I grab a box of Federal GMM and shoot for groups. I've always used Gold Medal 168's as the accuracy benchmark in my rifles. If it shoots the GM well look at your ammo, if not then check your position and other fundamentals first then your equipment.

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Tony, have you tried running your brass thru the die, turning 120 degrees, running thru again and then turning it 120 degrees and a final run thru the die in order to ensure that the neck is centered on the case? Have you checked the thickness of the neck at three points? I don't know how consistant LC brass is in this regard. May want to invest in some Lapua brass and see if that has a better run out. SMK, Hornady, and Nosler bullets usually have very consistant run outs so I'm guessing that the problem may be in your brass. Just thinking out of the box here.
Great thread here... Question if I may, boomerpusher,

What would this technique have on case neck life?

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Jeff, wouldn't decrease the case or neck life any as you are not really resizing the neck any more than normal-just truing it up(remember to put a little lube on the inside of the neck like you would normally do-there will be enough residual for the additional pulls). Used this with bolt guns and usually got 15-20 reloads without problems.

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As a new m1a shooter myself Instructor and JayCosta are correct the human factor is generaly the cause of my fliers ,but boomer pusher makes an excellent point as being bolt gun meticulous and m1a meticulous are two different grades of meticulousness .Get a couple of boxes of federal gold match ( good ammo) or order you some creedmore sports match ammo ( pricey but you get Lapua brass and it is excellent ammo ) shoot 8 / 5 shot groups on a day you can concentrate on your shooting .That is the only way you will know but hey getting those groups down and learning and shooting tweaking that is the challenge and pleasure of this platform .Lots of guys can shoot bolt guns well but to get the most out of m14/ m1a you have to realy try ,it isn't a platform for lazy people.

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Great thread here... Question if I may, boomerpusher,

What would this technique have on case neck life?
Not boompusher, but if you anneal your case shoulder and necks, you will have more consistent neck tension along with more pliable brass.

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nf1e makes another good point all this just goes back to the nuances and intricacies that is brought out by 1 seemingly easy question .

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nf1e makes another good point all this just goes back to the nuances and intricacies that is brought out by 1 seemingly easy question .
Way to many variables for any question related to firearms to be easy.

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Try shooting the M14 like a spring powered air rifle; very neutral, just rearward pressure from behind trigger guard.
For those unfamiliar, spring powered air rifles often fire to different points of impact depending how they are held, due to a lot of large moving parts (just like the m14).
Try Varget, and a grooved match piston from Sadlak.
If without a grooved piston, reducing load down from 41 grains may improve groups.

CS springs from David Tubb and a round recoil spring guide helps too.

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It's obviously a head space issue between the ears.

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Hmmmm, JayFry hasn't come back. Maybe we didn't give him an easy answer?

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