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Old January 31st, 2017, 04:49 PM   #1
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Remove the extractor and ejector from the bolt... Sounds crazy, but the results will surprise you.

Can anyone tell why accuracy improves, a few old timers know/knew, Don McCoy was one of them... Art

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Old January 31st, 2017, 04:59 PM   #2
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Remove the extractor and ejector from the bolt... Sounds crazy, but the results will surprise you.

Can anyone tell why accuracy improves, a few old timers know/knew, Don McCoy was one of them... Art
Maybe so, kind of defeats the purpose of having a semiauto.

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Less moving parts= less variables= more consistency??

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Old January 31st, 2017, 05:25 PM   #4
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It removes the side tension and allows the cartridge to align straight with the throat.

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Old January 31st, 2017, 06:29 PM   #5
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Very astute,, kudos...Art

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Somewhat off topic, and I realize the it's not the same as taking pressure of the case. Does closing the gas system off ( spindle) make a difference? In accuracy? Is it safe to do? Just thinking out loud.

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Somewhat off topic, and I realize the it's not the same as taking pressure of the case. Does closing the gas system off ( spindle) make a difference? In accuracy? Is it safe to do? Just thinking out loud.
Every rifle behaves differently. Some are more accurate with spindle closed, some less. Keep in mind that the oprod handle does not provide the same leverage as the handle on a bolt action, making manual extraction a little more difficult.

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Very astute,, kudos...Art
Does this make me an official "old timer?"

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Can anyone tell why accuracy improves, a few old timers know/knew, Don McCoy was one of them... Art


At least until I see a physical rational...

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At least until I see a physical rational...
Pull the breast out of that wrap it in bacon pitch it on the grill. About 10 mins you'll have supper.

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Old January 31st, 2017, 07:24 PM   #11
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For my Palma Rifle using a Remington 700 base design action/bolt would remove the plunger ejector and a common practice for it was felt that the cartridge would be better centered in the chamber/throat. Now did it make a difference, not sure but it did not degrade accuracy that I could tell. Did not remove the extractor for it is not as an aggressive as the one found on a Garand, M14. Just plucked the fired case out of the action after firing.

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Pull the breast out of that wrap it in bacon pitch it on the grill. About 10 mins you'll have supper.
Suggest wrapping in an honest to God Hatch, NM chilli pepper that has been lightly roasted and skinned, and then the bacon wrap. We cook dove and quail like that all the time at the wild game BBQ's. Very popular.

I think I am getting hungry for second dinner now!

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Pull the breast out of that wrap it in bacon pitch it on the grill. About 10 mins you'll have supper.
You can have my share of the pigeon, bacon or not no thanks...

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I think the discussion of bacon wrapped pigeon has more value than removing the ejector and/or extractor from an M1/M14 in an effort to quantitatively improve accuracy. A critical analysis of the typical chamber, the ammo, and bolt design will quickly dispell any claims of accuracy improvement in the M1/M14. These are not BR rifles. Basically what I am saying is that "removing tension" in an oversized chamber, cut with a pull through reamer and non concentric ammo, any case tilt is unlikely to have a measureable impact on accuracy. However, it can be argued that the removal of the ejector will guarantee that the case tilts downward every time. The bolt face design and location of ejector was no accident.

Another consideration when removing the extractor is the resulting increase in bolt speed. The friction between case and chamber during extraction is a necessary design limitation. Removing that friction increases bolt speed and the #16 recoil spring may not overcome it eventually resulting in damage.

I cant dispute this conversation with Don McCoy ever occurred but I'm curious as to what the context was. I can say that my McCoy built rifles were all issued with an extractor and ejector installed.

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I thought Art was kidding around ,I was waiting to see post from a newbie wanting a smith to help after fireing his rifle without extractor and ejector.

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