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Old January 4th, 2017, 08:17 AM   #1
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Just messing around here with terminal cabin fever, ran across this. Got to the third pic, and decided it wasn't even worth a read. Look at his forward elbow compared to Cooper. Gunny would have stood on my head, and I wasn't even a Marine!

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Old January 4th, 2017, 09:22 AM   #2
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I have seen that before. I thought it was called something like a "improvised sling" if it was wrapped around the arm like that rather than to have it dismounted from the bottom swivel.

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But he's got elbow on kneecap. That's like trying to balance ball bearings. I was taught(many years ago, admittedly) to get the elbow over the knee in sitting and kneeling position, as that is more stable. Cooper is doing it the way I was taught.

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But he's got elbow on kneecap. That's like trying to balance ball bearings. I was taught(many years ago, admittedly) to get the elbow over the knee in sitting and kneeling position, as that is more stable.
I'm glad you mentioned that; I couldn't tell what the issue was in the third photograph.

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I don't know much, but I do remember being taught that you never put bone on bone when shooting.

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Wow, How did he shoot offhand with the sling on his arm? Gunny would have stepped on our head if. Just a way to get People to spend money. Happy Shooting

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Old January 4th, 2017, 06:56 PM   #7
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Is the "third picture" the one with the kneeling position? His position is actually correct. The elbow is several inches behind the knee, in the fleshy part of the lower thigh. This avoids the "Ball-bearing" effect.

Even though this is smallbore, it illustrates the position. Sling, practice and concertration are needed for accurate kneeling shots.
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Is the "third picture" the one with the kneeling position? His position is actually correct. The elbow is several inches behind the knee, in the fleshy part of the lower thigh. This avoids the "Ball-bearing" effect.

Even though this is smallbore, it illustrates the position. Sling, practice and concertration are needed for accurate kneeling shots.
http://www.shanklinrifleandpistolclu...allbore-rifle/
Yep, the kneeling. Smallbore is different from shooting? It sure looks to me like his elbow is on his kneecap. I was taught to look like Jeff Cooper illustrates. Kneeling and sitting are pretty much the same for me, and the knee presses against the back of the arm, more than balancing on top.
(see page 109-120)
http://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Porta...RP%203-01A.pdf


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Old January 5th, 2017, 01:54 AM   #9
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Sitting position and proper use of sling can deliver very accurate firing ,close if not equal to rapid prone scores. Sitting with legs forward and ankles not crossed, open so to speak, ankles crossed method and if you are flexible enough, "Indian style" meaning legs folded up in squat position. Good shooter in our club was able to do the Indian style and his elbows would reach forward of his knees and actually be on the ground, very flexible fellow. My method is crossed ankles and place elbows forward of the knees, on the inside of the legs just below the knee cap for there is a somewhat of a hollow area there and would secure your elbows and with proper adjusted sling tension was stable enough for those 10 rapid fire shots to give good scores. Fortunately due to my age don't have to go through "shooters rise" and once in position can stay seated and fire away upon command.

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Picture four is not good either.

I sit indian style with my elbows beyond the knees

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I was taught to look like Jeff Cooper illustrates....the knee presses against the back of the arm.
I now see that the Marine Corps are taught differently. My only experience is formal target shooting, not military or Appleseed. The knee position is elbow slightly behind the knee. Looking at his seated pics series, I think he was still getting into position when they took the pics and he isn't finished.

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Everyone is different in each position. It all depends on bone structure. If someone has monkey arms their elbows probably won't be behind the knee. I can't shoot crossed legged and prefer crossed ankle. I can shoot open legged but not as well as crossed ankle.

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It was a long time ago for me, but the only option for position I remember was kneeling. If you were flexible enough to sit on your rear leg, all the better.

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That article doesn't seem to be directed to formal 'competition shooting positions', but more towards 'field expedient' ones.

Just getting someone to understand that using a sling for support is a big step.
Going into the details of best elbow placement, bone support, adjusting natural point of aim, etc. is more advanced ....

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Old January 5th, 2017, 12:54 PM   #15
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I agree it was more of an overview of sling use.

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