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Old January 10th, 2017, 11:27 AM   #61
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Back when I was a new shooter my coach told me to call the shot and I replied...."COME BACK!".

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Old January 10th, 2017, 12:05 PM   #62
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Back when I was a new shooter my coach told me to call the shot and I replied...."COME BACK!".

HA! I've muttered a few dark oaths at some of my shots! I'm lucky that they didn't come back!

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Double HA! I'm glad this thread was wrestled back on course.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 04:23 PM   #64
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Ok this actually explains something I have wondered about for years . I have seen HP shooters take shots and after shake their head or just kinda hold their head down because their shot would be off and all these years I have been thinking darn those guys can see good I mean I would be looking down range with binoculars and couldn't see bullet hole but I though they could actually SEE they had made a bad shot now you are telling me it's called calling your shots . Huh .

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I though they could actually SEE they had made a bad shot now you are telling me it's called calling your shots . Huh .
Hours of dry fire in the livingroom while maintaining sight picture will help you learn to "call your shots" since recoil is not affecting anything.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 06:40 PM   #66
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Ok this actually explains something I have wondered about for years . I have seen HP shooters take shots and after shake their head or just kinda hold their head down because their shot would be off and all these years I have been thinking darn those guys can see good I mean I would be looking down range with binoculars and couldn't see bullet hole but I though they could actually SEE they had made a bad shot now you are telling me it's called calling your shots . Huh .

Yes sir, in almost every venue there is no substitute for experience. A shooter should know exactly where his rifle was aimed when the hammer fell, and subsequently the rounds POI.

Kudos to you for your astute observation and long term curiosity!

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Old January 12th, 2017, 05:12 PM   #67
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Ok this actually explains something I have wondered about for years . I have seen HP shooters take shots and after shake their head or just kinda hold their head down because their shot would be off and all these years I have been thinking darn those guys can see good I mean I would be looking down range with binoculars and couldn't see bullet hole but I though they could actually SEE they had made a bad shot now you are telling me it's called calling your shots . Huh .
And that right there made this whole thread worth it. Someone is paying attention.

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Old January 12th, 2017, 08:57 PM   #68
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Well, I'm willing to take the word of a physicist over the limited knowledge of all the M14 experts here. Here is a link to an excellent video that explains why recoil does not occur until the projectile has left the barrel. Conservation of momentum is part of Newton's third law in a closed system it is not in contradiction to it.
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PublicSafety400, The rifle starts moving as soon as the bullet start moving. Physics dictates this.

The video in your post tries to explain this but does a bad job.

v1 x m1 = v2 x m2 where the ones are the bullet and the twos are the rifle.

Total momentum of the system is unchanged, true. The momentum of the bullet/gas is not unchanged. Neither is the momentum of the rifle. They are equal but at opposite directions.

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11g (~155gn) bullet leaving the rifle at 2700fps from a 4.5kg (10lbs) rifle:

0.011kg x 2700fps = 4.5kg x 6.7fps

When the bullet reaches the tip of the barrel, the rifle would be moving backwards at 6.7 fps if not supported by the shooter/rest. In reality, some of the weight of the powder should be added - more of rearward momentum.

Most of the time when I call the shot it is a bad shot as I saw the rifle moving as I broke the shot, particularly in offhand. Sometimes in prone if I pull the trigger rather than squeeze.

Off rest, with scope, i find it hard to call the under recoil movement of the rifle. The harder the rifle recoils, the more it moves while the bullet is still in the barrel and the more important it is to hold it exactly the same every shot.

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PublicSafety400, The rifle starts moving as soon as the bullet start moving. Physics dictates this.
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The trick is to visualize your sight alignment in relation to the target at the moment the rifle fires. You can't rush through this. Roll with the recoil while holding the trigger back and think about what you just saw as the rifle fired. Most score books have a section to mark the called shot. It's simply a circle that one marks with a dot to indicate what you think you saw. When the scored target come up and the number of the shot is recorded on the target in your score book, you can correlate the shot to your call. If the call was good this will tell you if the conditions, wind, etc., moved your shot off call and helps calculate sight corrections in relation to the conditions.

I remember coaching one of my team members at a 600 yard match in Fresno, CA. He had just fired a ten at nine o'clock. He called the shot centered and then I noticed the wind had picked up. I told him to put three clicks left on the sight. He complained that the shot was good and he didn't see why he needed a minute and a half left. His good call enabled me to give him a good correction and his next shot was an X. That's why we call the shots.

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I have seen HP shooters take shots and after shake their head or just kinda hold their head down because their shot would be off.

And the next step in a shooter's development is to stop demonstrative responses to the last shot. Mark your data book and wait for the target to come back up.

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