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Old December 10th, 2016, 08:25 AM   #1
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When do you shoot your best groups?

If you shot 5 groups of 5, or 10 groups of 5. When you you shoot the best?
After a cold bore shot or 2 or whatever you normally do to warm up.

I find my first 3 groups are my best. I think I get lazy and sloppy the more I shoot, and my scope vision drops off with repetition as well. I let the barrel cool between groups but I generally like to complete a group in 3-4 minutes but no rapid firing.

How can I improve in this area other than taking a nap after group 3:)
What's your tendencies?

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Old December 10th, 2016, 08:35 AM   #2
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Same here, 1st shots are usually the tightest. Complacancy?

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Old December 10th, 2016, 08:39 AM   #3
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Hi Al, consciously wiggling, really more like "digging in" my big toes always seemed to help. I don't know if it is whole biggest nerve thing, or just a stretch, wake up, and focus? Helps for me.

I guess diet too, if you're tiring out? If you snack on the way to the range, maybe beef jerky, carrots, or beanie weenies, slow steady calorie release. Don't drink milk with other proteins, will make you get tired faster. Plus if you got a little competition going, pick the upwind station.


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Old December 10th, 2016, 08:46 AM   #4
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Oddly enough I often get a best or tied for best group on group 5 on many rifles. Worst group is usually the fourth. Weird I know but when I thought it about it that was what popped up. I keep target plotters that we buy at the range to track our groups, and besides they only do target changes once or twice a day so we don't always get to keep our targets.

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Same for me; after a fouling shot or two out of a clean barrel the first group is usually my best.

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Old December 10th, 2016, 07:43 PM   #6
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I am a sniper in training for my department. All of my shooting is for cold bore. I wait about 5 minutes between shots. I can be at the range for two hours and only expend 20 rounds. My goal is to learn the science behind shooting and there is a great deal of science in ballistics and how the environment affects the flight of the projectile. I will gladly wait until I am sure I am setting up exactly the same for each shot before taking the shot. I like to shoot in all conditions, hot, cold, rainy, etc. I record the weather conditions including temp, humidity, pressure and time of day as well as any wind. I pay attention to my breathing and watch my heartbeat in the scope. I try to condition myself physically to slow my heart rate. For me it is a competition against myself.

For me it's quality not quantity.

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Normally towards the end of my shooting session after me and the barrel have warmed up. I'm not terrible with my first shots, it's just my shots later on always get better.

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I am a sniper in training for my department. All of my shooting is for cold bore. I wait about 5 minutes between shots. I can be at the range for two hours and only expend 20 rounds. My goal is to learn the science behind shooting and there is a great deal of science in ballistics and how the environment affects the flight of the projectile. I will gladly wait until I am sure I am setting up exactly the same for each shot before taking the shot. I like to shoot in all conditions, hot, cold, rainy, etc. I record the weather conditions including temp, humidity, pressure and time of day as well as any wind. I pay attention to my breathing and watch my heartbeat in the scope. I try to condition myself physically to slow my heart rate. For me it is a competition against myself.

For me it's quality not quantity.
Yes! PublicSafety has it right... My late brother used to grill me in that stuff as deer hunters and target shooters. He always out shot me!
He believed in 'cold bore' first hit! (as do I)
But then again on this site there is the 20 Dot competition!
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It depends on what I'm shooting. AR's and my M1A after the first couple of rounds and they keep shooting great.

Now, when I shoot my 375 H&H, the groups are much better the first few rounds. I think recoil might be involved here.

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Capona,

Normally my first ten round (2x) groupings are just to get the feel of the temperature and winds and common myself down once again on the rifle range. Walking down and see close-up the pattern that I just did. Walking back and load up ten more rounds, get back into that sweet spot again and send ten more rounds down range. The next 30 or 40 rounds I'm all on board with all the elements around me and I block everything else out and get down to enjoying the feel and tighter groups and the next group of targets. I've got years of records here with different military surplus and commercial ammunition with the groups get much tighter on the 2nd and 3rd targets and even 4th targets. Once you find that sweet spot you just have to fight with yourself to slow down and enjoy your scores/groupings...

New Mexico Range Report.

Just my 2 worth on how my NM and I work out. Yes, in the winter months in New Mexico I would take cold bore shoots at 550 yards just for the fun of it calling the winds and POI on the targets.

I found the same groupings with my Swedish Mausers m/96 or 41B over the years as well.

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My best groups always seem to be my middle groups. But like others have said breathing, being in a good shooting position that I can get on target and make excellent repeatable shots are key for me. When I am in a hurry and get out a strict routine my groups get worse.

It seems to be an endless competition between me, my equipment and shooting conditions. A very FUN competition that will continue forever.

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Capona,

Normally my first ten round (2x) groupings are just to get the feel of the temperature and winds and common myself down once again on the rifle range. Walking down and see close-up the pattern that I just did. Walking back and load up ten more rounds, get back into that sweet spot again and send ten more rounds down range. The next 30 or 40 rounds I'm all on board with all the elements around me and I block everything else out and get down to enjoying the feel and tighter groups and the next group of targets. I've got years of records here with different military surplus and commercial ammunition with the groups get much tighter on the 2nd and 3rd targets and even 4th targets. Once you find that sweet spot you just have to fight with yourself to slow down and enjoy your scores/groupings...




New Mexico Range Report.

Just my 2 worth on how my NM and I work out. Yes, in the winter months in New Mexico I would take cold bore shoots at 550 yards just for the fun of it calling the winds and POI on the targets.

I found the same groupings with my Swedish Mausers m/96 or 41B over the years as well.

Mauser's on the Range in New Mexico

Thanks X, very insightful. It sounds like I have to learn more self disipline , relax and tune in better.

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My first shot usually makes a one hole group.

It's downhill from there.

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