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Old November 26th, 2016, 02:02 PM   #1
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SA Loaded, accuracy is driving me crazy... where to go from here...

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Had the Loaded for ~2.5 yrs, been shooting a SAV10 .308 and SAV12 6.5CM for many years and with the Savages can cover my groups with quarters', sometimes dimes when I'm on.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1...W9QNEwyQUFndWs CLICK LINK



The loaded is placed on sand bags, magazine close to bags, NPOA, sight pic in scope, grip, breath control, trigger squeeze, breath control, the usual.


The Loaded I can't get consistent groups from 1 target to the next. 150, 155Amax, 168 HOR bthp's I've have tried.

today at at range.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1...3hSTFJGclBTOWc CLICK LINK


The Loaded I can't get consistent groups from 1 target to the next. some i can cover with 1/2 dollar, others you can cover with a coffee cup saucer.
150 FMJ, 155Amax, 168 HOR bthp's I've have tried.


Have watched watched Tonys vids (thany you sir for your time and effort!), and followed this forum since joining a few years back.

I believe i need to shim?

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"Assemble the rifle, squeeze.the stock and barrel towards one another. The condition desired is movement up and down. "

I cant get my rifle to do the above, cant even squeeze it enough to get a patch in the front band or lube it.


My plan is to try shims, Then shoot it and check results.
If still inconsistent, then send gas system for unitizing and trigger job to one of the board gunsmiths.

If still inconsistent, then I ask where would you go from there.

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The Loaded comes with a NM trigger job.

Try using Federal Gold Medal Match 168's. Your barrel and that cartridge were made for each other. The Loaded model should be able to hold 2 moa with it.

Take off the scope and mount to eliminate them from the variables. Test the rifle with iron sights.

Make sure you you are pulling the rifle into your shoulder and that you are slinging up properly, even from a rest.

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Old November 26th, 2016, 03:00 PM   #3
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The Loaded comes with a NM trigger job.

Try using Federal Gold Medal Match 168's. Your barrel and that cartridge were made for each other. The Loaded model should be able to hold 2 moa with it.

Take off the scope and mount to eliminate them from the variables. Test the rifle with iron sights.

Make sure you you are pulling the rifle into your shoulder and that you are slinging up properly, even from a rest.
Well I did use Fed 168 awhile back, but now cant remember how they performed.
I've maid it a point to concentrate on this rifle lately to really see how it performs. Will try the GMM's and no optics next range trip.
i'll get my GI sling off my appleseed rifle, so, loop or hasty off bench do you use?
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I use a hasty sling, but either way is fine. The important thing is to immobilize the rifle as it fires. A whole lot is going on, much different from a Savage bolt action. If you have 13 lb SuperMatch with a bipod and muzzle brake up front, you can pay less attention to some of the fundamentals of shooting an M14. Otherwise...

If you are unhappy with 2 moa from a Loaded, you can send it back to SAI and for about $300 they will turn it into a National Match.

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Try Sierra MK 168s with same load in place of the Hornady 150s. None of my rifles with shoot with that bullet. I take that back, my 30-40 Krag doesn't mind the Hornady too much.

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In the video my gas cyl lock looks way off, opinions?

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The best accuracy I get from my loaded, . . .

Front end goes on a sandbag, . . . lead sled, . . . or other "non moveable".

I grab rear of sling with my left hand, . . . pushing back and up, . . . I use it to center the rifle where I want the shot to drop.

I definitely have pressure going back there though, . . . keeping it snug into my right shoulder.

I have only had one "unaccounted for" shooting problem, . . . it doubled on me a couple of weeks ago, . . . first time ever. We're at this point putting it down as either a soft shoulder hold, . . . or too light on the trigger.

My gun shoots within a 1 1/2 inch circle if I do my job, . . . at 100 yds.

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Try Sierra MK 168s with same load in place of the Hornady 150s. None of my rifles with shoot with that bullet. I take that back, my 30-40 Krag doesn't mind the Hornady too much.
I will be bringing my handloads next time, HOR 168's, IMR 4895 @ 41.5: as Kurt suggested 1st no optics then scoped...

I like to load up the 150's for my 2 sons to plink with when they want to shoot it...

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In the video my gas cyl lock looks way off, opinions?
A shim kit will take care of that. I don't know that it will do much for accuracy though. Shim for 5:30 contact then move to 6 for snug.

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In the video my gas cyl lock looks way off, opinions?
PICTURES so we can see what's up??

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In the video my gas cyl lock looks way off, opinions?
Your gas lock is the way the M14 was designed. You back it down to the bottom and install the gas plug. The plug PULLS the gas cylinder forward against it.

if you want to shim it to keep the front band from rattling, that's fine. If you want to accurize the rifle, get a unitized gas cylinder and a properly bedded stock. Shimming the front band to get a tight gas lock torques the barrel. Not the best idea.

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This target was of the 150's, scope was adjusted for 168's so I adjusted.

target in middle was happy with. Its just that I cant seem to get more of the result every target lately...

I try to do the same shot "ritual" every time i fire.

This is what leads me to belive rifle needs just, well, something else to look at..

Target with rifle is from 2013 with 168's, thats when it shot well..
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Your gas lock is the way the M14 was designed. You back it down to the bottom and install the gas plug. The plug PULLS the gas cylinder forward against it.

if you want to shim it to keep the front band from rattling, that's fine. If you want to accurize the rifle, get a unitized gas cylinder and a properly bedded stock. Shimming the front band to get a tight gas lock torques the barrel. Not the best idea.
Ok, watching the videos of tony, in the postion the rifle was in cradle, I thought it should rotate to ~5: 30, snug more to 6:00 position, then install plug?

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unitize and shim first

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