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Old August 11th, 2013, 06:43 AM   #1
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Scope rings/mount torque questions

Im looking to buy a set of Warne rings to replace the cheap ones I have on my Sadlak aluminum mount now. Is there an ideal torque to tighten to rings to the base, and the rings around the tube?

These are the rings I'm looking at. Any input?
http://www.amazon.com/Warne-Scope-Mo...ds=warne+rings

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Old August 11th, 2013, 07:01 AM   #2
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35 to 50 inch pounds on the bases. I would go incrementally and make sure you're not going to strip anything. Not all scope mounts are created equal. 20 inch pounds on the upper ring screws.

What scope and are you lapping the rings?

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Old August 11th, 2013, 07:05 AM   #3
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Oh, also, read this thread...

Aligning, Lapping & Torquing Scope Rings-How to

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Old August 11th, 2013, 07:23 AM   #4
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Thanks for the link, I'll give it a read. Im using a Nikon Prostaff 4-12. A lot of people said that there was enough contact with the rings that lapping was not required, but if they do need it then I will lap them. I was thinking about buying the kit from midway



Is there a screw driver that has torque settings, or should I convert inch pounds to foot pounds and use a regular torque wrench?


ETA: Never mind, I now see the tools that are being used in the link you recommended. Thanks

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Why don't you contact Warne and ask them if that info is not included with the rings?
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Old August 11th, 2013, 08:30 AM   #6
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I recommend

the purchase of a "fat wrench" (by Wheeler I think) at any of the gun places. Over the years it will pay for itself in un-broken screws and un-mangled parts...not to mention the "it just fell off at the range somewhere" stuff that nobody locally has a replacement for.

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Old August 11th, 2013, 08:47 AM   #7
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Fat Wrench is not precise at all. Along with China made.
The 2 I have tested would not repeat at all.
Brownell's sells a very nice in/lb T-handle wrench that goes from 10-70 in/lbs, you can dial to the exact setting every time and it's made in Canada buy a company that makes torque wrenches for the industry.
Been very happy with the one I bought.....
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Heres what I use for my mark 4 rings with mark 4 scope and springfield scope, this is what leupold told me and what I do:
Rings to base: 65 inch/lbs, I use a seekins precision pre-set torque wrench.
Caps on scope: 25 inch/ibs, use a seekins precision pre-set torque wrench.

The seekins precision torque wrenches are a "T" handle style that are pre-set to what you order, very precise, I have removed my scopes many times and put them back on and re-torqued rings to bases and have been very close to zero every time, truly worth their cost.

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Six, that 65in/lbs is for a 1/4" dia ring base screw on their MK4 rings.
You try to pull that kind of torque in those Seekins #8 screws and you'll bust'em.

Here's a chart......

http://www.mgtd.ca/Screw%20Torque.htm

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Six, that 65in/lbs is for a 1/4" dia ring base screw on their MK4 rings.
You try to pull that kind of torque in those Seekins #8 screws and you'll bust'em.

Here's a chart......

http://www.mgtd.ca/Screw%20Torque.htm

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I think Thats what I posted, its what I wanted to anyway, 65in/lbs is for the ring base to rail for my mark 4 rings and The 25in/lbs is for the ring caps that go over the scope, It's what Leupold recommended and what I have been doing. Maybe I should re-read my post, maybe I typed it wrong.
Here is a reference.
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=5&t=310257
there's lots of info out there on this subject.
Anyway it's what Leupold told me when I contacted them after purchasing my Leupold mk4 scope and rings for my m25.
It does look like some recommend 20in/lbs on the ring caps, I think there is a little wiggle room, maybe plus or minus 5 pounds, as long as your consistant it will return to zero.

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SORRY, "I" didn't word it 'rite'. I should not have rushed my response!
Didn't want the OP to think he should go to the 65 in/lb on the bottom screws is all.

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If you're going to get a lapping kit, get the kokopelli one. It's waaaaaay better than the ones with the points that meet.

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SORRY, "I" didn't word it 'rite'. I should not have rushed my response!
Didn't want the OP to think he should go to the 65 in/lb on the bottom screws is all.

LG
LG, you are right on, it reminded me of the time I pulled my brand new $600 aimpoint Micro T1 out of its box, grabbed my seekins 25in/lb and proceeded to strip out the 4 screw holes in the bottom of my aimpoint, ouch...
you need to find out specifics for your rings and mounts.

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Thank you all for the information. I have another question now... The rings I am looking to buy say they are for weaver style scope bases. I have the Sadlak aluminum mount and I want to make sure that I get rings that will properly fit. Is the Sadlak mount a 1913 pic rail style mount, or does it have weaver dimensions? I know that weaver rings can work, but is there a set of rings specifically for pic style mounts?

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Get the 'pic' version of the rings if you can.
Stay with steel rings also.

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