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Old March 19th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #1
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Glass bedding an M14 type

Sorry I forgot this last time I posted on this one. When bedding a 14 type, aside from having to cut the footings for the bedding compound (Marine-Tex or either ACRAGLAS or STEEL BED from Brownells. Marine-Tex is more popular), the thing you really need to do is modify the stock ferrule. HAS to be done. I dug up the picture to show the mod. Easily done with either a classic Dremel or the new Stylus. I now use the Stylus almost exclusively to the point where I won't be using the milling machine for the footings anymore, I do plan to make a jig for this and yes, if it works the way I want it to, I'll make it available.

Bedding "kit" is part #080-727-014 $ 39.97
M14/M1A Castle Nut Pliers #080-000-185 $ 14.99
Small Ball peen for fixing loose Suppressors and gas cylinders. It's what I use and NOT with a lot of muscle. Slightly tighten the splines, don't ruin them.
Dremel Stylus is $50 bucks.
Marine-Tex comes in 2, 14 and 32 once containers. price varies per size.
just go to Brownells.com for any of this, except the Stylus. Google Dremel.

Note that the picture has both the classic Dremel and the Stylus.

If any of you want to know more, catch my attention with a private message please, only because they pop up right away instead of searching for one. No, sorry I don't read everything. I am trying to find a way to post some excerpts. One of the folks just got the M118 ammo write up. Next is the one on concentricity. Something that's critical for 600 to 1000 yard shooting and M14 types are capable.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 07:21 PM   #2
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Can you please post pictures of the mod done on a rifle? Why does it have to be done when bedding? I'm bedding my first rifle this weekend. Thanks

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Old April 2nd, 2012, 07:54 PM   #3
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does it really have to be done? PsiFOx you are new here, and don't know the history the original poster has.

wait and listen to what the other members have to say about this.

Rojkoh sometimes makes posts encouraging people to do things only an veteran armorer should attempt.

again, I cannot attest to weather this was good information, I just wanted to warn you to let this thread develop where the approved recommend armorers and experts will weigh in on this advice.

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Using a ballpeen on suppressors and gas cylinders?


Isn't that like using a baseball bat to open grapefruits?

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Here is a pic of a modified stock ferrel and an unmodified stock ferrel


This is one of the match conditioning mods that the armorers figured out for us back in the day. It ensures the gas cylinder does not come in contact with the stock. Another item modified is the hand guard. Pretty much these mods eliminate any interference and isolate the barreled action from the front end of the stock except for the front band. They are considered match conditioning mods. Stocks used in the photos are an M3A stock and a USGI stock. Hope this helps

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Using a ballpeen on suppressors and gas cylinders?


Isn't that like using a baseball bat to open grapefruits?
Or a large hammer to open watermelons...


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Here is a pic of a modified stock ferrel and an unmodified stock ferrel


This is one of the match conditioning mods that the armorers figured out for us back in the day. It ensures the gas cylinder does not come in contact with the stock. Another item modified is the hand guard. Pretty much these mods eliminate any interference and isolate the barreled action from the front end of the stock except for the front band. They are considered match conditioning mods. Stocks used in the photos are an M3A stock and a USGI stock. Hope this helps
thanks for the pictures showing the actual ferrels, and a BIGGER thanks for wearing socks....

note: can't stand looking at nice pics of guns and then seeing someone's nasty hobbit toes.....kind of ruins the damn moment.....

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This guy just needs to go away, now he is steeling images from other peoples posts/web sites. The picture of the mod ferule is not his.

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Old April 3rd, 2012, 06:41 AM   #9
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This guy just needs to go away, now he is steeling images from other peoples posts/web sites. The picture of the mod ferule is not his.
Excuse me, but 82nd ABN is a long-term contributor here and a friend to many of us. Also, it helps if you spell "steal" correctly - enhances your credibility.

Here is my first attempt at modifying the stock ferrule:



On the stock:



You can see where I removed material from inside the forend to give the gas cylinder better clearance and the flattened tops of the bolts for the front bipod rail (the gas piston was hitting them). You also can see that I have not mastered the "Art of the Dremel" yet. I did clean up the edge of the ferrule after taking these pics BTW.

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Excuse me, but 82nd ABN is a long-term contributor here and a friend to many of us. Also, it helps if you spell "steal" correctly - enhances your credibility.

Here is my first attempt at modifying the stock ferrule:



On the stock:



You can see where I removed material from inside the forend to give the gas cylinder better clearance and the flattened tops of the bolts for the front bipod rail (the gas piston was hitting them). You also can see that I have not mastered the "Art of the Dremel" yet. I did clean up the edge of the ferrule after taking these pics BTW.
I found that a rat tail file does a better job of opening up the ferrule.

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I use a rat tail file to cut the top of the clearance on each side of the ferrule then hog the rest of the inner steel using a Dumore Handy Grinder. However, doing it completely by using a rat tile file like TonyBen suggested is a good idea for the first few you do.

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Old April 3rd, 2012, 07:16 AM   #12
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Good job

The first time messing with the ferrule can be trouble, this part is easy to bend and difficult to fix afterwards.

A couple of things that may assist in making this mod.. Modifying the ferrule off the stock seems to me to be going at it the hard way, it is difficult to hold and the edges get hot and sharp fast.

Tonyben makes a good point and his pictures are excellent. Use a sharp rat-tail file "After" the ferrule has been epoxied on the stock tenon. If you use a power tool to make the mod after it has been epoxied on the heat may very well weaken the epoxy, the power tool works well on the material in the stock however.

I use an old front end of a M14 stock as a fixture to hold the ferrule in place if the power tool is used, actually, I used to do that, my dogs hide it someplace.. Art

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Not 82nd, that guy is a stud. But it is my fault for not mentioning who I was talking about. I apologize for the misunderstanding, I meant the OP ROJKOH. ROJKOH has been putting out info like taking a ball peen hammer to a new expensive barrel for example. Yeah yeah and letís stop poking fun at bad spellers too!

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Old April 3rd, 2012, 08:35 AM   #15
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Rojkoh- all due respect but do all of the mods need a ball peen hammer according to your practice?

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