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Old January 26th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #1
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I have bought a used M305 from Norinco. The groups are about 5'' at 100 yards which does not sofisticate me very much. Could you give me any hints what I can check and what I have to look for to increase the accuracy?
The problem is that I life in Austria and the gunsmiths here do not have any experience with M14 type rifles.

When I bought the rifle the flash hider was completely loose. How strong has the castle nut to be screwed on the barrel?
Is it normal that the operating rod guide can be moved a little bit to both sides?
I used Prvi Partizan .308Win. 168grs, HPBT. Does anyone have experience with this ammo?

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Old January 26th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #2
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Hy!

I have bought a used M305 from Norinco. The groups are about 5'' at 100 yards which does not sofisticate me very much. Could you give me any hints what I can check and what I have to look for to increase the accuracy?
The problem is that I life in Austria and the gunsmiths here do not have any experience with M14 type rifles.

When I bought the rifle the flash hider was completely loose. How strong has the castle nut to be screwed on the barrel?
Is it normal that the operating rod guide can be moved a little bit to both sides?
I used Prvi Partizan .308Win. 168grs, HPBT. Does anyone have experience with this ammo?

Ronny
Hope this helps you out, Norinco and I think Polytech used Chu wood for some of there rifles while they do resist mold very well they tend too compress easily and targeting goes down hill, If its at all posible try too find a good used USGI wood or a USGI synthic stock your in Austria so this maybe a little harder too find.

#2 loose flash hider, there is a allen screw in the F/H that prevents the castle nut from backing off, back off the allen screw and retighten the castle nut you will need a set of castle nut plyiers or you will need too make a pair, snug the castle nut down and this will firm up the F/H when you have it good and snug give it a little extra umph just in case, screw down the allen screw, it the allen screw doesn't line up with the notch in the castle nut give it a little extra turn untell the notch in the castle nut lines up when it does screw in the allen screw, your done. A loose F/H will kill accuracy with it snugged up your groups should shrink down.

#3 loose Op-rod guide, there should be no L/R play in the op-rod guide when its installed on the barrel, I do hear that this is common with Poly and Norinco rifles, the fix could be as simple as replacing the roll pin with a new slightly larger one or you may need too knurl and epoxy the mounting surface on the barrel.
If it was my rifle I would first try the larger new roll pin, if that didn't fix it I would then add some epoxy, if that worked your good to go and ahead of the game use the op-rod as a guide to make sure the piston is square with the op-rod and wait for everything too set up DO NOT EPOXY THE OP-ROD TOO THE GUIDE, should that not work you have two options live with it or your going too have too knurl the mounting area on the barrel add some epoxy to that area, install the op-rod guide and roll pin, use the op-rod too keeping everything lined up and wait for it too set up.

Privi Ammo, some guys here have had very good luck with it both in the 145gr and 168gr loadings, most shooters are happy that it goes bang and gives exceptable accuracy without breaking the bank in there rifles, they use it for general plinking/practace ammo when they don't want too use up there good handloaded ammo, another plus for the Privi ammo is that the brass is reloadable.

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Old January 27th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #3
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Hy!

Thanks a lot. Your hints are as good as pure gold :-) You can´t imagine how hard it is in Austria for an M14 owner.

>Norinco and I think Polytech used Chu wood for some of there rifles while they do resist mold very well they tend too compress easily and targeting goes down hill

Would it also be possible to shape out the stoch, so it wont press any more?
I found stocks in the Numrich web shop, but they do not send the stocks to Austria.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog...+stock&catid=0

Do you know any store where I can order stocks like the one above?

Numrich will send a Castle nut plier to me, then I will try to reassemble the castle nut like you said. I also will check the OP guide.

I also heard that the Flash Hider could be bored up to a larger diameter. This should prevent the bullet from turbulences. Have you heared from this?

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Ronny, zunächst mal herzlich willkommen in der Anstalt. In unserem Club haben einige das Norinco und sind damit eigentlich sehr zufrieden. Bevor du anfängst zu basteln lies dich erst mal im Forum ein und nutze die Suchfunktion.
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Danke für deine Antwort. Weißt du wo man günstig einen Schaft kriegt?

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This morning I changed the pin from the operating rod guide. Now it seems to be fixed to the barrel. I could not move the guide anymore.
If I find the time I will go to the range this afternoon.

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Good to hear, let us know how it goes.

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Old January 29th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #8
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Hy there

It is better but still not satisfied
I tried the Prvi Partizan. Here I have groups of 4 with about 2 inch but the fith shot opens the group to abot 3 to 4 inch. The best three shot where in 1 inch but the remaining two shot opened the group again to 4 inch.
The handloads with 42grain Vhitavhouri N140 and 148gr bullets are a desaster :-(

I think I will search for another stock and try another flash hider.
One member of the forum also said that he has three M1As. One stock of the three does not shot good on all three rifles.

Anyone other suggestions?
Still searching for afforable stocks like the one from Numrich which can be sent to Austria.

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For tips on how to inspect, maintain, repair, and modify your Chinese M14,
check out the posting at;
http://www.m14.ca/seminar/M14_Seminar_EBR.pdf

A US GI fiberglass stock installed on your Chinese M14 will generally give better groups than the CHU wood stocked rifles ... but some CHU wood stocks shoot surprisingly well ... at least until the soft CHU wood compresses and the stock to receiver fit loosens up.
The GI glass stocks will also last longed, and change less with different weather conditions.

If you put a GI stock on a commercial M1A/M14, you have to pad inside the stock to block the shorter op rod pin from walking out during firing, and causing a mis-feed.


I have several different M14 stocks that I swap back and forth on my three test Chinese M14 rifles, and also three of the latest versions of our prototype ALUMINUM M14 EBR stocks.

Just to give you a sample of what might happen at 100 yds,
here are my results from the last few range sessions;
I used the same ammo
[inexpensive Federal 150 Gr Powershock SP / Blue box ... which shoots better than PRVI in all the M14 type rifles I've tried it in ]
same rifle [ receiver and 22" barrel with standard flash hider installed ]
forearm resting on bags OR bipod,
10X scope
changing around to different stocks, with 10 rds fired at 25 yds to find the new zero [ which WILL change when you swap stocks ] and to help settle the action into the stock before 100 yd testing;

1.] BLACK PLASTIC CHINESE stock # 1, [ these plastic stocks have a metal insert just like the wood stocks ] Harris Bipod mounted at forearm ... 5 shots - 1 1/2" @ 100 yds. [ 4 out of the five were into 3/4" ]. This surprised me because I was not expecting decent accuracy out of the plastic Chinese stocks.]

2.] OLD/SOFT [ like balsa wood? ] CHU wood stock rested on sand bags at forearm ...
5 shots - 2" @ 100 yds., which is again surprisingly good.

3.] US GI Fiberglass stock # 1, very tight fit, as new at rear of lug bedding area,
Harris Bipod mounted at forearm ... 5 shots - 1 1/4"
[ 4 out of five into 5/8" ]

4.] US GI Fiberglass stock # 2, slight bit of longditudinal play, rear of lug bedding surfaces slightly worn, rested on sand bags at forearm ... 5 shots - 2"
[ 4 out of five were at 1" ] ... not sure if this was the bags or the stock??

5.] BLACK PLASTIC CHINESE stock # 2, rested on sand bags at forearm,
5 shots - 3" [ not sure what happened here .... one of the stock screws was installed at an angle/cross threaded?? ]

Bottom line, stock fit will have some effect on accuracy, but I suspect the big difference for me, is that I shoot more consistently off of a bipod than I do off of sand bags.
YPMMV

PS: every time you swap stocks, or even take your M14 out of the stock for cleaning, after reassembly always test for hammer follow BEFORE loading any ammo.

Good luck with chasing after accuracy with your Chinese M14 ... it can be both challenging and rewarding. The best advice I can give you, is spend your money on finding out which brand and type of ammo your 14 likes best, BEFORE spending money on accurising.

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Old January 30th, 2012, 04:18 AM   #10
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@Lazerus2000: Could you give me a hint where you bought the black chinese plastic or U.S. GI stocks?

As I have posted before, I have just found the numrich gun parts site, which don´t send stocks for m14 to Austria.

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the black pastic stocks come on the NEW Canuck import rifles

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@Lazerus2000: Could you give me a hint where you bought the black chinese plastic or U.S. GI stocks?

As I have posted before, I have just found the numrich gun parts site, which don´t send stocks for m14 to Austria.

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The black plastic stock came with one of my many Chinese rifles. Since I am building ALUMINUM M14 stocks, I have several extra M14 stocks, wood, p[lastioc and fiberglass.

If you are going to modify your stock [ paint it/ bed it / add pistol grip or whatever ] you would be better off using a fiberglass stock, as these are easier to modify.

If you just want a better stock than your CHU wood,
the black plastic stocks are good to go, bvut vnot easy to modify.

I also have a couple of spare GI Fiberglass stocks.

If you really need a stock, PM me about it, and I'll sell you one.

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Old January 31st, 2012, 08:35 PM   #12
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For the record, my M14S norinco shoots my handloads well enough to hit 12g shell casings at 100 yards, so once you get her tuned up proper she should sing for you. Of course, I have an enormous varmint scope on it to SEE those at 100 yards, but the rifle does it's part. Tighten up the loose parts: I'm not real experienced but some old guys have told me that anything rattling on your rifle is bad.

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