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Old August 7th, 2011, 11:10 PM   #1
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Socom 16 accuracy

I've recently been throwing some parts into my 16 to squeeze a little more accuracy out of it and was wondering is it would be worth it to scrap the synthetic stock and pick up a usgi wood one? So far I installed a sadlak tin piston, a nm guide rod, and shimmed the gas cylinder. I haven't had a chance to test it yet cause I sent the trigger unit out to a gunsmith. I also fitted the hand guard a little better it was rubbing. So what do you think? should I pick up a wood stock or save the bones for a sage chassis?

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Old August 7th, 2011, 11:27 PM   #2
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Do you like it in the synthetic? If so, get the wood stock.

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What was the accuracy like before you started the modifications?

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To skip the boring details, In my opinion, I prefer the JAE because I want mid to long range shots in the field and not worry about the bedding that most accurized rifles have. If I wanted to do short to mid range work and accuracy with light weight was a must then the Sage would be my choice. If I just wanted to take the rifle to the range and shoot it while having the classic good looks of wood and steel then the wood stock would be my pick. And finally, if I wanted to get the best compromise on cost, performance, and looks, then I would hunt around for a good USGI fiberglass stock.

I know that there will be those who will howl at my comments but this is just my opinion based on how these stocks have performed for me and I've had at least casual experience with almost every stock that fits a SOCOM.

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Actually, my Socom16 is setup almost identical to yours... a Sadlak spring guide, Ti-coated piston (not NM,) and a shimmed up gas lock. I do have mine in walnut, I didn't care for the synthetic stock it came in. To be honest, I've never fired a round through it with the factory stock, so I don't really know about accuracy differences, but when I would sling up, the forearm would flex... and I didn't think that would be very good for accuracy.

The biggest obstacle to accuracy... long-range accuracy, would be the sights. That big, fat front sight post isn't the hot setup for accurate shooting past 200M. There are few inexpensive options at this point, I wish Springfield would pull their head out and make a non-XS FSP for the Socom (or some aftermarket company.)

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The biggest obstacle to accuracy... long-range accuracy, would be the sights. That big, fat front sight post isn't the hot setup for accurate shooting past 200M.
SEI's SOCOM kit solves this problem and their SOCOM gas plug is also a nice upgrade for any SOCOM owner.

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SEI's SOCOM kit solves this problem and their SOCOM gas plug is also a nice upgrade for any SOCOM owner.
Yes... but at $225 for the gas lock/brake, plus a new front sight post. This is something that should have been addressed by SAI as an optional high front sight post. The SEI option also disappears the very good Socom16 muzzle brake (although I've not shot the SEI brake to compare the two.)

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The biggest question I see that has not been asked is, is the syn stock a USGI or new SAI stock?

If you go wood, try a boyds.

If you go the other route, like RAMMAC said, the JAE is the way to go.

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This is something that should have been addressed by SAI as an optional high front sight post.
Don't hold your breath.

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The syn stock is the original from sai. And like charlie said it flexes without a whole lot of pressure and I imagine that can't be good for accuracy. That being said I don't have a problem knocking down bowling pins at the range but the only time I shot on paper it (with irons) was all over the place. The group, if you could call it that, was less than impressive hovering around 5-6 moa at 100. It wasnt great ammo either just some german dag from 93. I guess I'm just trying to shrink those groups down a little bit, without going all out. This is only my medium range weapon, i have a remy 700 for the long stuff

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I guess those sights could have something to do with it. I do have a red dot mounted now but eventually want to put a little scout scope like the viper pst on it. Charlie hows the accuracy on your 16 with the wood stock?

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The syn stock is the original from sai. And like charlie said it flexes without a whole lot of pressure and I imagine that can't be good for accuracy. That being said I don't have a problem knocking down bowling pins at the range but the only time I shot on paper it (with irons) was all over the place. The group, if you could call it that, was less than impressive hovering around 5-6 moa at 100. It wasnt great ammo either just some german dag from 93. I guess I'm just trying to shrink those groups down a little bit, without going all out. This is only my medium range weapon, i have a remy 700 for the long stuff
Yea, going wood will increase accuracy.
Bedding it will increase it further.

If you have the coin, get a JAE. I have seen and can attest to the accuracy it brings.
Well worth it. But, they are heavy.

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As far as stocks go is the usgi fiberglass any stiffer than the sai synthetic? Reason I ask is cause I will be painting it and I'd consider it blasphemy to paint up a beautiful wood stock but if the usgi doesn't have any advantage over the sai syn then there's no reason to bother with it a far as I'm concerned.

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Charlie hows the accuracy on your 16 with the wood stock?
I went out this past week to shoot at 100yds, using 4 different kinds of ammo: My handloads (43.0grn IMR4895/145grn Prvi FMJ/#34 primer/LC brass,) current Prvi 145grn FMJ, 1993 RG and 1981 Belgian.

Shooting off a makeshift sandbag rest, seated at a bench and using the standard Socom sights.... and I will tell you I'm struggling with my eyes. I've never had a problem with distance shooting until recently and I finally had to suck it up and put my glasses on to shoot. OK, so I'm getting old. The Socom sights and my target selection (black bull) were not not the best combination.

The Belgian came in last, averaging about 5".

The other 3 were about equal... approximately 3" (5 rounds) at 100yds.

I'm confident I can tighten that up a bit with a better target choice, getting used to my glasses, and shooting prone.

The factory/surplus ammo all shot around 2600fps out of the 16" barrel, my handloads ran 2500fps (probably due to the IMR4895.)

I was sling'ed up and the stock didn't budge. Synthetic may have it's purpose, but I'll stick with wood on my M1a... If you are wanting to paint up your rifle, get a stock from Fred's. I got my 'dinged' walnut, with metal, for $45.

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If going with wood make sure you get one with good trigger housing lockup and that is straight enough for proper front band, ferrel, and barrel alignment. In short don't choose a wood stock because it's pretty.

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